[Iaato]

I think we could all use a laugh here this week.

From JBoogy

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')A lot of the people here are tofu-munching, bike-rider types Rambo, just look at the introduction, get to know me forum/thread. Lots of guys on bikes. They'd be pissin' and moanin' about SUV's and powerplants no matter how much oil was in the ground. They're simple relics of a by-gone era, they secretly wish everyone had to live like the Amish, then they would rule because of their mastery of the bicycle and cell-phone. I on the other hand live like the party will never end, me and mine have crude-oil fueled bonfires every friday night, we roast endangered species and breath tar soot while bad-mouthing Al Gore. Join us Rambo, we can come out of PO smellin' like a rose if we can recruit enough converts. We'll flay the menfolk and enslave the women. All will bow before us and our biodiesel fueled Hummers, or they will perish in our bio-fuel rendering vats. Either way we win."

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his is like a horror movie where the hero shoots the monster and turns around and says everything is fine. Then the monster gets up and bites the hero's head clean off. ~Eli

[Iaato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')This is all going to get really weird. Especially in places like the US and Europe. Most people are programmed to believe that globalization is now the permanent state of man and the economy. When in reality it was just a brief flicker in the night sky at the climax of cheap energy."

[eastbay]

Iaato's doomer level 10 rant is hereby nominated to grace the cover of this magazine.

Sorry... this rant.


What a pile of ......... uh, constructs. Except for SJN, Virgin Crude, and Seldom, who see our little global system for what it is; a world overpopulated with a plague of humans, powering on right up to the wall using a teeny bit of renewable resources, and sucking at the last yummy dregs in the storage tank of non-renewable resources.

Money's got nothing to do with it. Except that it's an inaccurate measuring stick for some human parts of the economy. Seldom's graph depicts Americans' response after 1970 to the impact of using up our storages in this country, and having to buy storages from other countries after our oil peaked. Our response was to deposit IOUs all over the world. I'm still amazed that everyone let us do it. So, did Peak Oil cause this soon-to-be-global-depression? Heck yes. Now that the world is Peaked, IOUs won't work anymore.

You guys are going to have to get past the "man rules the earth" fantasy. Your fossil fuel slaves have given you delusions of royalty. Maybe you will figure it out once the gas pump is empty.

[mercurygirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'B')y and large for having such a rich array of divergent opinions and perspectives we're all amazingly civil and share excellent social graces all around.

[static66]

I think that we all suffer from a little bit of "wanting to see the carnage" wanting to see the BMW driving, ear-piece phone wearing Mortgage Broker standing in a food line at the local church and bitching about how he should get Two Loaves of bread cause he used to be so important and drove such a nice car... and the clueless suburban moms who will be looking askance at the "unwashed" in the line....I guess it will be of little comfort then to say I told you so.... I was trying to tell you 5 years ago!!!

[dohboi]

I nominate this from seldom_seen (my first nomination):

"We don't have an engineering or math problem though. It's a biology problem. Millions upon millions of people using up resources as fast as they can while humping each other like mad and making exponentially more babies who want HDTVs, steak dinners and ipods. A new fleet of fusion reactors would only exacerbate this problem. Covering the mojave desert with solar panels will make it worse."

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', ' ')
We have a fixed level of energy and an increasing supply of money. Thus the GDP increases through inflation. To say that GDP is disconnected from the money supply is absurd. To say that CPI is disconnected from GDP is absurd.

[dohboi]

efarmer wrote:

"$93 a barrel is market price just like lobster. Now
$1200 for a Hannah Montana ticket, now that is terrorism! I
thought I was getting ripped when I took my little girl to see
Barney on Ice 10 years ago. (It wasn't even the real Barney,
but was just a geek in foam rubber suit.) I'm saving a little
Old Spice bottle full of gasoline. WTSHTF I will wait until it
dies down to the walking around bummed out stage and then
will dab a drop of petrol on for aftershave. As I walk around,
everyone will whisper "efarmer's got gas!" and follow me like
the Pied Piper. I'll lead them back to my baked potato and minty
water (hot or cold!) stand and hand them a piping hot spud.
After they take a bite I'll say; "that'll be $4 please,to which they
will answer, "Four bucks! That's terrorism efarmer."
I will give them a AA battery as change for a $10 bill that has Dick
Cheney's picture on it. (I could offer them two $3 Wolfowitz bills
but most places won't take those.)"

[wisconsin_cur]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kingcoal', '
')
However, people get lazy. Most people don't plan, they don't see the writing on the wall, in short; they aren't paranoid enough. "The paranoid survive;" a quote by one of the founders of Intel Corp. I agree with Grove; rational paranoia, which is simply planning around Murphy's Law (what you don’t know can and will hurt you), is always good advice. Always have a plan, that's what successful, leader types do.

[dohboi]

Dante'speak wrote:

"To put it simply, the US dollar - which is issued by the Fed with the understanding that it is usually backed by US government debt - is now increasingly a claim on some intangible derivative that the some bank put together. "

[eastbay]

'I'm no longer posting here.'

Numerous threads, a quote from PMS. After 10,000 postings he should receive a final honor for his wide ranging contributions.

[Iaato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Not only is there not an agreement on what the carrying capacity is. Carrying capacity itself is not a static variable. It's always changing. For instance, let's say optimistically the earth's carrying capacity before the industrial revolution was 1-2 billion people. We are now at the point where ecosystems collapse and industrial civilization unravels. This "last great rape of nature" will be immensely damaging to what remains of our intact ecosystems. The desperation that will ensue to replace fossilized fuel with what remains of terrestrial resources will degrade carrying capacity to bare bones levels."

[roccman]

On M.K Hubbert's predictions regarding peak oil...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', '
')
Oh my god, you haven't read it otherwise you would know that his predictions are based on complete false assumptions and it was pure luck and coincidence that he was right with his dates.

Admit it, you do not have a clue what's in his paper. Otherwise I would be shocked by your lack of comprehension...

[steam_cannon]

Hehehe, yeah Lighthouse is a trip...

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Here's a quote I thought was pretty good...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hagakure_Leofman', '"')It is smarter for the marketer to sell the consumer a flashy trinket that will wear out and break quickly. It is even better for the product to be part of a continuously changing fashion market, where items in a nearly-new and good condition must be replaced in order to stay current with the latest product trend."

from wikipedia on comsumerism

I'd say if you can find anything provides a basic function, that is solidly built, take it. I think we all have to make the assumption that virtually all items we've been raised to buy, fit the model above. Our grandparents generation's wares are more desirable.

[roccman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '
')It's not a conspiracy to enslave the population, it's common sense.

[Iaato]

Efarmer's Amalgam of Greatests Hits "You Know It's a Recession When..."

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]You Know You're In A Recession When:
You decide to take another crack at tofu.
Lorenzo signs off with "substantial biofuels" instead of
"endless biofuels".
A panhandler hits you up for money and then runs into
a place to actually buy something to eat.
You hit the in-laws up for money and they fax it to you.
You are waiting around Lowe's for odd jobs with your
stock broker and lawyer tagging along as "grunts".
You buy your dog the cheapest kibble so you can have
the primo canned chow with gravy for old numero uno.
You go out to chop firewood and remember you left
your hatchet sticking in the ATM.
You lose your temper and break stuff in the kitchen when you
find out that someone ate the last homemade popsicle.
You notice that the gas from the beans you are eating
gives you a marvelous full feeling if you can manage to
hold it in for long periods.
Richard Branson shows Ben Bernanke how to run his
helicopter on the used Freedom Fry oil from the
Congressional cafeteria.
When your $1200 stimulus check comes it is from Halliburton
and it bounces.
Manpower gets you a job on the serving line at the soup kitchen
and you try to suck up and turn it into a career move.

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')his ain't the happy, fuzzy bunny blog

[Iaato]

"We had a good run. We won't leave behind stone aqueducts or travertine palaces inspiring awe from our descendants, but they will recognize us by our blown-out tires and windswept plastic bags just the same."

Emerson Biggins, waxing philosophical

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') called my mom the day I hit Fusion and told her what I had done. She told me that she had never been so proud of me, she cried...she actually cried. She even came down to the basement to take a look and everything, later she made me a nice cheese sandwich.

I like cheese.