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Re: M. King Hubbert was hot

Unread postby killJOY » Tue 22 May 2007, 09:30:53

Agreed.

I keep that middle photo in a locket.
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Marion King Hubbert himself about the World Peak Oil

Unread postby Alcassin » Wed 13 Feb 2008, 23:53:05

It's a very short 2 minutes clip not shown in Crude Awakening but from the same interview.

"OPEC countries are tempering this curve right now, courtailing production somewhat, so it's conceivable that this peak might be shifted to the back side by a little bit. We might cut off this rate of growth and stabilize, if we did that would extend this 80% by 7 or 10 years".
M. King Hubbert after Arab oil embargo in 1976.

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Re: Marion King Hubbert himself about the World Peak Oil

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 01:43:24

Thanks for the link Alcassin. :-D

By the way, if you look at our peakwiki page that is always under construction
you will see a link to that same video...

http://www.peakoil.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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Re: Marion King Hubbert himself about the World Peak Oil

Unread postby Alcassin » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 02:41:00

I don't use peakoil wiki, maybe there aren't so many peakoilwiki users ;)
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Re: Marion King Hubbert himself about the World Peak Oil

Unread postby Coolman » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 14:00:17

I love how some people say that Hubbert was wrong about world peak because he said it would peak in 1995.

Yet here he said that the peak would be delayed because of the oil embargo.

In fact you should thank God that it did not peak in 1995, it would have been even worse than it's going to be now.
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Re: Marion King Hubbert himself about the World Peak Oil

Unread postby steam_cannon » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 14:26:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', 'I') don't use peakoil wiki, maybe there aren't so many peakoilwiki users ;)
No reason to get your panties in a bunch. Most new users aren't
familiar with the links on the front page of this website, but they keep
posting anyway...
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Re: Marion King Hubbert himself about the World Peak Oil

Unread postby FreddyH » Thu 14 Feb 2008, 16:53:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Coolman', '
')In fact you should thank God that it did not peak in 1995, it would have been even worse than it's going to be now.


Had his production profile come to fruition, Hubbert's forecast for 2008 was 63-mbd amid a 3.75% Decline Rate. His projected Peak of 111-mbd includes only Regular Conventional Oil, proc-gains & NGL.

Being awash in oil, it will never be known to what degree this would have retarded the unconventionals. That is, the 63-mbd does not include the tar sands, heavies, deep ocean, polar, bio, kerogen, ctl, gtl or synthetics that are abundant today and make up 14-mbd of All Liquids. If they were developed as aggressively, today's flow would be 77-mbd today.

All this speculation assumes that Hubbert's 111-mbd Peak would have been greeted by a similar call in Demand. I am skeptical that this challenge could have been met.
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Article Re Hubbert's 1956 Seminal Peak Oil Paper&Speech

Unread postby drgoodword » Fri 23 May 2008, 23:41:02

While this story is not new, and is covered in other sources, it's still an interesting article:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ubbert was invited to give a broad-brush picture of the overall world energy situation, including the state of U.S. energy resources, at the spring meeting of the Southwest Section of the American Petroleum Institute. Driving from Houston, he and his wife went to the Plaza Hotel in San Antonio to drop off 500 copies of his talk for distribution at the meeting. “To my surprise, I found myself surrounded by the petroleum press, wanting to know, was this paper going to be given? I said, ‘Why, certainly.’

“But it was perfectly obvious, there was something going on that I didn’t know about, and I was furious. The press, all the gas journals, various petroleum journals… the oil reporters… In fact, I was so angry that I refused to go back to my hotel… my wife and I had dinner and went to a motion picture, and we didn’t get back to the hotel room until around midnight. And then the next morning, when the meeting was opening, the program consisted of the Mayor of San Antonio giving an address of welcome. I was the next speaker, when I got a signal calling me off the platform,” Hubbert recalled in a 1989 interview.
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Re: Article Re Hubbert's 1956 Seminal Peak Oil Paper&Spe

Unread postby TheDude » Sat 24 May 2008, 02:22:59

Thanks!

Deffeyes wrote of Hubbert being a bit irascible; also how he described his experience teaching as "interesting." Deffeyes asked a student of Hubbert's about the experience: "terrifying."
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Re: Article Re Hubbert's 1956 Seminal Peak Oil Paper&Spe

Unread postby aahala2 » Sat 24 May 2008, 12:00:59

A path to the presentation itself is probably only a click or two
away, but here's a direct link:

http://www.hubbertpeak.com/Hubbert/1956/1956.pdf

Only portions of the ideas were groundbreaking; Hubbert had
written before, and some others, about some of the ideas.
The paper has footnotes, which you might be able to find
to determine what was new and what wasn't.
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"Mesa Hubberto"

Unread postby killJOY » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 19:31:27

The new figures say it all:

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Don't we need a new hook?

Hubbert's peak is old, and probably inaccurate.

Viva Mesa Hubberto!
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Re: "Mesa Hubberto"

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 19:36:14

I guess we can hope it's one of those nice big flat wide mesas, and not a butte.

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butte:
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Re: "Mesa Hubberto"

Unread postby killJOY » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 19:37:52

I used to mispronounce that as a kid, as in "shake your butte."

Shur is a beaut.
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Re: "Mesa Hubberto"

Unread postby truecougarblue » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 20:13:04

I'd use "pico" for peak rather than "mesa", though I agree the chart does look more like a mesa.

Google "pico de orizaba".
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Re: "Mesa Hubberto"

Unread postby Cashmere » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 22:07:19

I don't know.

I just keep getting this feeling that we're going to, one of these days soon, see a massive drop off. Followed by another. Followed by another.

and then the graph will shift from worrisome to Amityville in 3 months.


I've just got this feeling.
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Re: "Mesa Hubberto"

Unread postby MonteQuest » Thu 17 Jul 2008, 22:44:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'V')iva Mesa Hubberto!


That's la meseta de Hubberto. Hubbert's Plateau.
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Unread postby energyhoggin » Sun 27 Sep 2009, 06:42:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'i') thought the idea of capitalism was that a few people get very rich by inventing stuff/owning means of production. they pay the workers just enough to stop them being unhappy and being non-productive, and are protected from the odd rebellious worker by the police and the courts, who are also made up of the very same workers. divide and conquer?

essentially, though, its about power - not really money. its just like the feudal system that used to exist in europe. a guy at the top, with a few generals below, a few sargeants below that and so on until you get to the majority who are landless peasants.

even those who own their own homes, but have a mortgage over them, are actually landless in my opinion. you do not truly own your own home/land until you own it without debt, and i believe that very few people will ever get to this point in future. they'll either die in debt or be re-possessed, and we'll be back to just a few people (or corporations) owning land, and renting it to the general masses.


wow...i couldnt have said it better, now we just need devastating plague of some sort to clean the slate
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Re: Article Re Hubbert's 1956 Seminal Peak Oil Paper&Speech

Unread postby Pops » Sun 27 Sep 2009, 08:50:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('drgoodword', 'W')hile this story is not new, and is covered in other sources, it's still an interesting article:

Thanks for that, great article.
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Re: THE M. King Hubbert Thread (merged)

Unread postby saddamkhan » Fri 27 Nov 2009, 02:40:41

though one of them did go and see the End of Suburbia documentary (somebody was showing it at some place in the local area)
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M.King Hubbert and Technocracy, Inc.

Unread postby pablonite » Thu 04 Mar 2010, 11:18:54

http://www.augustreview.com/issues/tech ... 100125155/
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n 1933, Hubbert and Howard Scott formed an organization called Technocracy, Inc. Technocracy is derived from the Greek words “techne” meaning skill and “kratos”, meaning rule. Thus, it is government by skilled engineers, scientists and technicians as opposed to elected officials. It was opposed to all other forms of government, including communism, socialism and fascism, all of which function with a price-based economy.

Two key differences between price-based money and Energy Certificates are that a) money is generic to the holder while Certificates are individually registered to each citizen and b) money persists while Certificates expire. The latter facet would greatly hinder, if not altogether prevent, the accumulation of wealth and property.

...A more likely influence on modern thinking is due to Hubbert’s Peak Oil Theory introduced in 1954. It has figured prominently in the ecological/environmental movement. In fact, the entire global warming movement indirectly sits on top of the Hubbert Peak Theory...

...As the Canadian Association for the Club of Rome recently stated, “The issue of peak oil impinges directly on the climate change question.” (see John H. Walsh, “The Impending Twin Crisis – One Set of Solutions?, p.5.)

Because of the connection between the environmental movement, global warming and the Technocratic concept of Energy Certificates, one would expect that a Carbon Currency would be suggested from that particular community, and in fact, this is the case...

Are you a technocrat and do you support the technocracy?

I think we need to get rid of our current debt based fractional reserve monetary system.

The idea of a carbon currency is nothing new, however basing a new economy on "science, technology and energy" doesn't look to be off to a very good start when public support for it is being propagandized on some very questionable science, not to mention the complete centralized control required for such a system to work. The centralized control is already in place as Hubbert envisioned...

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