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Re: DOE TO INVEST $21 MILLION FOR NEXT GEN SOLAR - PATHETIC!

Unread postby lawnchair » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 01:22:42

FY 2007 funding for faith-based Community Based Abstinence Education and related block grants amounted to $204 million. The administration has $270 million penciled in by FY 2009.
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Re: DOE TO INVEST $21 MILLION FOR NEXT GEN SOLAR - PATHETIC!

Unread postby Rabbit » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 02:11:38

So with this amount we can expect to be able to afford a few monks to pray for better solar panels!

Looking at how much the government spent on the wars after 9/11, it could have put a $20K solar system on every house in the country. With that kind of electric power we could start to move some transportation over to electric.
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Re: DOE TO INVEST $21 MILLION FOR NEXT GEN SOLAR - PATHETIC!

Unread postby Concerned » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 02:24:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rabbit', 'S')o with this amount we can expect to be able to afford a few monks to pray for better solar panels! Looking at how much the government spent on the wars after 9/11, it could have put a $20K solar system on every house in the country. With that kind of electric power we could start to move some transportation over to electric.

Except they (govt. business) are not interested in "you" the population.
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Re: DOE TO INVEST $21 MILLION FOR NEXT GEN SOLAR - PATHETIC!

Unread postby sicophiliac » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 02:57:40

21 million buys what a few hours in Iraq? This is so shamefully sad its almost beyond words.. how the hell did we get ourselves in this position anyways? The American government has utterly failed its citizens or maybe we failed ourselves.
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Re: DOE TO INVEST $21 MILLION FOR NEXT GEN SOLAR - PATHETIC!

Unread postby lys3rg0 » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 07:52:08

Here's a graph... funny but sad at the same time:

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Re: DOE TO INVEST $21 MILLION FOR NEXT GEN SOLAR - PATHETIC!

Unread postby joe1347 » Tue 20 Nov 2007, 22:22:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', 'H')ere's a graph... funny but sad at the same time:

Great illustration of the issue. To annoy myself even more, I just took a look at Lockheed's web site to see how many defense job openings are posted. Not surprisingly, more than 8000 jobs appear to be open. Assuming each new employee costs the US Government about $200K additional per year, 8000 new hires translates to about $1.5 Billion/year of additional expense to the US Government. The priorities of this Administration are pretty clear.
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Re: DOE TO INVEST $21 MILLION FOR NEXT GEN SOLAR - PATHETIC!

Unread postby MD » Wed 21 Nov 2007, 06:22:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joe1347', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lys3rg0', 'H')ere's a graph... funny but sad at the same time:
Great illustration of the issue. To annoy myself even more, I just took a look at Lockheed's web site to see how many defense job openings are posted. Not surprisingly, more than 8000 jobs appear to be open. Assuming each new employee costs the US Government about $200K additional per year, 8000 new hires translates to about $1.5 Billion/year of additional expense to the US Government. The priorities of this Administration are pretty clear.

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DOE cancels FutureGen clean coal project

Unread postby frankthetank » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 12:02:46

Need money for stimulus package?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON (AP) — The Energy Department on Wednesday canceled a futuristic, virtually emissions-free coal plant scheduled to be built in Illinois, saying it preferred to spend the money on a handful of projects around the country that would demonstrate the capture and burial of carbon dioxide from commercial power plants.
"This restructuring ... is an all-around better deal for Americans," said Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman in making the announcement to scuttle the FutureGen program.

Said costs had gotten out of control. What else is new. link
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Re: Clean coal project dead

Unread postby gnm » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 13:26:45

You forgot "Military Intelligence" :-D
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Re: Clean coal project dead

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 14:12:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'C')lean Coal is an instant classic much like:
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Female Sperm Whale
Fresh Frozen
Marijuana Initiative
Conservative Think Tank
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or my favorite: Fresh Smelt

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oxymoros, sharp-dull, equiv. to oxy(s) sharp (see Oxy)+moros dull (see Moron]: A figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”

Another one I use to like was “Airline Food”, but that was from the days when you use to get a meal if the flight was at least 3 hours long. A newer addition might be “Justice Scalia”.
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Re: Clean coal project dead

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 14:16:04

I always liked 'smart bomb' and 'airline food'. 'Clean Coal Burning'...lol, that's definitely my all-time favorite! :-D
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Re: Clean coal project dead

Unread postby skyemoor » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 14:26:55

But seriously fellas, now the coal lobby can't point to this and say, "We'll be clean in a few years, so you have no argument against us."
This provides ammo for every locality that wants to deny new coal plants in their area.
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Re: Clean coal project dead

Unread postby Clouseau2 » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 14:28:54

The Bush administration and Congress recently have added some doozies like:

"Healthy Forests initiative"
"Clear skies"
"Patriot act"
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Re: Clean coal project dead

Unread postby eastbay » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 16:20:02

I couldn't resist. Here are a bunch more.
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Re: Clean coal project dead

Unread postby lawnchair » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 17:12:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skyemoor', 'T')his provides ammo for every locality that wants to deny new coal plants in their area.

Ammo for the nukees, too. The axe may have been helped along by their lobbying, though carbon capture is damned expensive. Still, too damn bad Bush couldn't have used his lame duck SOTU to say, "screw you Reid, we finish Yucca Mountain starting tomorrow". 49 congressional delegations would have applauded that. Not that Yucca is great. It's adequate geologically, but I'd rather we reprocessed rather than throwing very fertile fission fuel in a deep hole. But, building it would bolster the industry.

Mind you, in my state (Kansas) the governor rejected some large cleaner-ish-kinda (modern but not carbon capture) coal plants. The power is needed in the Denver sprawl, but Colorado has passed some prissy carbon emissions laws. The KS legislature (and a large chunk of the population) is out for blood to get them built, all for the promise of a couple dozen post-construction jobs and continued political cash from the energy company. Plenty of places are more than willing to burn coal with no restrictions at all for a few bob.
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Re: Clean coal project dead

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 17:41:37

I have even heard it referred to as "low carbon coal."
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Re: Clean coal project dead

Unread postby skyemoor » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 22:47:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TireFire', 'A')nyone know more about the concept of the project that was cancelled?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FutureGen
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