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Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

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Hell is more like: (please read post before answering)

Las Vegas - Hot, Dirty, Garish, Baren
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Re: Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

Unread postby Flowerr » Tue 29 Jan 2008, 16:58:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', 'P')OAlex,You stated that:$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')... and the penalty is death.
Isn't death the opposite of life? If the penalty is death, that would be fair and appropriate. Eternal torment is not the opposite of life. Actually, for some people, life is eternal torment. Death is a release.I think you need to define (in your mind) what constitutes 'death'.

There is no "eternal release" of the spirit. Yes, God is fair and just. But soeone has been lying about him. The penalty for being a crook is death. just simple death cause they dont want to play nice, ya cant make them. But here is the evil genius of the evil one. He lie about eternal torment and many honest people just believe it without checking it out and the idea is repulsive and those people will rebel and revile God who seems so mean to them. Coup. And they wont try to find out about him. And then they will die, because of a lie and false information.

The goal for the evil one is to trick as many into being killed forever as possible, because he is seeking revenge, because he is mad,
because he burned his bridges and he is going to die and he doesn't like it. There is absolutely no chance for him now, BUT, there is for you no matter how bad you have been, as long as you are still alive. When you die you have no more chance at change. Some really bad illuminaughty groups say you can get saved after death, this is just another lie and a money maker of course, bunch of ceremonies, etc. satan will not be ruling hell, that is a big wishful thinking lie by him, I think he actually believes it.

THE BIG LIE is wrong. There is no party in hell, because HELL means GRAVE and DEATH that is all. A big church twisted it for profits hundreds of years ago, sure worked, Scared people into joining. They became the only world religion for a long time. But in reality, everyone is dead, like lazarus was, who when resurected did not come DOWN from heaven, but OUT of the grave.. All the wiches think, O well, hell, we'll party forever. We don't have a chance of being saved, we're so bad. So they say, well just party in hell forever...No they won't they were lied to.

But the truth is they can repent and be saved now, even if they went through the blood oath signing their soul away in blood. It is peanuts, You repent, and all that evaporates, and you can be saved, this is why satan hates christians and Jesus so much, he is way more powerful, and he undoes all his traps in an instant for anyone who desires it. Satan is a weakling in comparison with the Bible. Quote and believe a text and it binds up all up, he hates it, so he made lots of twisted versions who lost much of their power. He couldn't fight against the real one.

The real Bible says: I will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee (lava as the earth breaks up) It shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth (even satan gets it now) in the sight of all them that behold thee, All they that knew thee among the people will be astonished at thee, and NEVER SHALT THOU BE ANY MORE. king james version, look it up. It isn't in some other versions, because it is satans death sentance and he dont like it... Satan is going to get destroyed and there is no esscape for him, and he wants revenge, he is going to lie to you so you think religion is a farce so you wont get saved, and so you will die too, all for revenge.

Hs favorite witches and warlocks he will turn on and kill, just for spite. Dont believe the lies, no eternal burning hell, this is actually a pagan mythology of babylon adapted in roman times and perpetrated by a huge church for hundreds of years cause it really brought in the bucks. Yeah really. How much would YOU pay not to be tortured forever? The real Bible says Death is just non-existance, there is no spirit continuing after death, like satn said to eve in the garden (the first lie). The sould dies, it dies. It is gone. It will be as if they never existed, no pain afterwards, no suffering forever. Suffering forever for 20 years of bad is insanity, that is just insane...It is something Satan would do. Not God.

Life is forever more life, joy sharing and caring about your friends (lots of them) forever with powers that even "Q" (illuminaughty invention) did not have. Your choice. If absence from heaven is your choice you may play hooky. It is allowed, but you will be missed.There are a lot of characters to whom living a self denying happily helpful serving lifestyle would be torture, and they will just not exist any more, and they chose it. You see, Chaeney would never be happy waiting tables,and neither would shrub. and many of the iluminaughty would rather rule in hell than serve in heaven, so they won't be there, unless even they repent. God loves even them as much as he loves his very own son. Think about that, and he would not torutre them for eternity being servants, if they don't want to. They will just not be there. Unless they repent.

The bible quotes "It will be to the wicked as if they had not been." KJV (this is not in the illuminaughty versions. It knocks out the main lie they tell. Death is simple non-existance, there is no release of spirit. The release of the spirit is an old illuminaughty lie perpetrated everywhere, especially hollywood, even star wars when Luke allegedly sees OBwan, and his father in spirit form, supposedly alive after they died.

This gets into the kids brains and it is the formation of the big lie.
so much so that people say, "He has departed" His spirit is with God" He is happier now" No, he is unconscious until judgment day.
Like Lazarus. He came OUT of the grave, not down from heaven. Lies, you have been proogrammed. When you die you're dead and asleep and unaware. "The dead praise not the Lord, neither do their spirit". Well, if they were in heaven they would be praising the Lord, right? But they don't cause they are not. When you die your chance is over and all that is left is the waiting for the day of judgment.

satan wants you just to go and see, and tells you it is nicer there, cause once you go you can never be saved again. cause once you're there, you are dead forever. He is so evil. He lives to try and kill as many as possible. American indian culture- same lies, they can't help it. Illuminaughty are older than the indians. They invented the lies. These are 4000 year old lies, invented so you would not be afraid and call out to God for help, witch naturally means you never repent and you die forever. What a trap. All a li. Made just to kill you.

The illuminaughty paint death as an adventure and young people are anxious to go see what is there, because they do not study and believe what they are told. Its everywhere and their friends all say the same thing now so why not believe it? Trouble is, there is nothing after death NOTHING. and once you try it, you will find NOITHING. If you haven't repented, you will be lost forever, mousetrap closed, its over with no chance and satan laughs, and calls you stupid. Living eternal spirit is central from wich craft -It isn't true. the wiches believe it of course and they don't know they were lied to either. Same with wickca. Stop the lies already.

Go to church this week which is wherever Jesus/the word/king james bible is and your bedroom and quiet time each morning before the sun comes up.. Stay away from the oilluminaughty soul-lives-forever lie factory money grubbing churches and their illuminaughty changed bibles. They will take your money then brainwash you, then you die... There is no preaching of repentance in the illuminaughty bibles, look it up yourself get a king james. Repentance is very easy, but very crucial. Deuteronomy 18 says: In this life, Everything goes wrong, Everything goes wrong, Everything goes wrong, then you die. Unless you repent, then everything will go right for you, you will suffer (mowing lawns and doing useful work is painful at first) but you will live, and you will be happy right away while you are training..

Very few will now come to religion since the illuminaughty ones have taken over and perverted the bibles and the groups, everyone can see what hypocrites they are, 100 years ago you could see how kind and good they were, and there was only one bible. That has all changed, and all the verses are so corrupted no one can figure anything out any more, so it is just about over now.
The hammer is going to fall, and men will not repent, and it will fall again and men will not repent and then it will fall a few more times and then it will be hell. And then God said he would "make a new heaven and a new earth for the former things have passed away. " (Not in illuminaughty bibles it would destroy their belief)

And it will be lovely, no ethanol crops, highways gone and green living. You will be given Godlike powers of travel interstellar and interdimensional. people, would have eternity to unwind the universe, and there will always be more. People like me will raise greyhounds and love them all. And you will be given your own tax free land, and animals.Come along, the offer is absolutely free, and the training is tough, but God can do it.

It is not too late for you. Even a 97th degree secret order M who has signed their soul away in their own blood, can immediatly claim Jesus blood instead and be set free, the lie that it is too late for you is just a lie. Proof. There are high degree secret order members and others who HAVE claimes Jesus blood and been set free from sure death this is why they hate xtians so much, they are more powerful with the word than all their spells.
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Re: Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

Unread postby FreakOil » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 00:20:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', 'H')ow the fuck can you call that justice?


For a lot of people, God is a fictional character who plays out their most sadistic urges.


For a lot of Christians, he is a non-fictional character who plays out their most sadistic urges. Here's a quote from Tertullian, an early Christian theologian:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat a spectacle…when the world…and its many products, shall be consumed in one great flame! How vast a spectacle then bursts upon the eye! What there excites my admiration? What my derision? Which sight gives me joy?...as I see...illustrious monarchs...groaning in the lowest darkness, Philosophers…as fire consumes them! Poets trembling before the judgment-seat of…Christ! I shall hear the tragedians, louder-voiced in their own calamity; view play-actors…in the dissolving flame; behold wrestlers, not in their gymnasia, but tossing in the fiery billows...What inquisitor or priest in his munificence will bestow on you the favor of seeing and exulting in such things as these? Yet even now we in a measure have them by faith in the picturings of imagination. [De Spectaculis, Chapter XXX]


That's some pretty sick stuff.
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Re: Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

Unread postby Flowerr » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 01:20:25

Tertullian , a sicko, and a pervert, and worse even, a lawyer with smarmy duplicity.

Terty was key to moving the enourmous political power of Rome and invest it into the polarizing world church who had already compromised with pagan countries for greater acceptance. He prepared the way for Constantine to basically rule the world.

Onee of the earliest infiltrative illuminaughty, Terty came from a background of the mysteries of set in Rome. He joined the church to infiltrate it and he was one of the first. He actually interoduced the first heresy called the trinity.

Apostle John wrote "The spirit of anti-christ already invades the churches"

The apostles never knew about this made up subject of the pagan concept of trinity, the Roman pagans sure did. Tridents and flames were symbolic of pagan trinities.

The trinity is now in every illuminaughty church. They run them and make them look like idiots just like tertullian wrote his idiotic epistles.

God's makeup is really called the GODHEAD not the trinity. trinity does not exist in the real bible it is a man made change of unfaith.

Godhead means Three distinct personalities or beings in one unity of action, character and rule with full knowledge of each other united in mind and thought and action...One God.

(The father in me and I in you, same thing.)

Trinity itries to describe three distinct beings in one godly body body, which is ignorant, makes no sense and no one can understand it. Which is what set wants.

Trinity is confusion and Babylon means confusion, get it? It reallly revolves around set worship and is signified by IHS. and is symbolized by the sunburst. It arose from the pagan mythology of the three IHS (on the Roman seal.

Isis, Horus and set (set is satan)


(Trinity is not in the real bible - it could be in the illuminaughty bibles, I dont know [probably is.])

Terty was a ROMAN LAWYER , which of course means he is an expert in compromise. Most of the elite are lawyers politicians or elites like counts and countesses, Barons and rulers. They own all the money in the world minus a few dollars..

Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus, anglicised as Tertullian, [TERTY] (ca. 160–235)[1] was a church leader and prolific author of Early Christianity. (busibody, couldn't leave the Bible scriptures alone) He also was a notable early Christian apologist.
(apologist=ILLUMINAUGHTY)

Terty was the son of a Roman centurion. He was one of the earliest infiltrators, moving the "mysteries" of the paganism of SET into the church...

Apologists brought into the universities from 1920-1960 were the last of the infiltrating primary force in infiltration of the remaining churches. The celebration 2000 was all about final unity in set, meaning they had control of all of them finally, and they did at the highest levels.

Anyway, you are right and very perceptive. Terty's writings betray a real pervert. Oh, the illuminaughty regularly kept child porn festivals in Rome... the highlight of the year was great huge barges on the inland volcanic lake, nothing was barred, including child sexual perversions and sacrifices. This is how he writes so warped.

Yes, illuminaughties are all perverts that is their life style.
If you give one of them three wishes, they would answer 1. All the money in the world. 2. All the sex in the world, and 3. Kill all the christians. Funny that is what Nero did.
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Re: Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

Unread postby Flowerr » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 03:26:17

If the speak like a perv and if they write like a perv, they are not a true christian. they are probably a perv.

And anyone who upholds them or supports them is also a perv.
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Re: Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 18:11:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', 'H')ow the fuck can you call that justice?


For a lot of people, God is a fictional character who plays out their most sadistic urges and gets to avoid criticism for it because he's god. The Abraham and Issac story is a perfect example. Dude drags his kid up this mountain, straps him to an alter, starts ranting about how he's going to stab the kid. It's all ok though because "God told him to do it." Jews decide they want Jericho. "God" smashes the place and kills everyone living there. If the fundamentalist Christian depiction of God does exist, he's got all the morality of Hannibal Lecter. This was frankly the issue that led to me parting company with Christianity. If the fundamentalist Christian God does exist, he's an evil SOB and people should be working to stop him, not kissing his ass in hope that he won't burn them in eternal hell.


And what makes them so sure that even if he did exist that he'd keep his word? Like the fundies always say, he's God and he can do what he wants, so if a mortal has problem with what he does, then tough shit.

Also, if he's supposed to be all-knowing, then he'd know whether or not we'd obey before we were even born. So why would he allow someone to come into existence if he knew they were destined for eternal torture? Doesn't make a lot of sense, unless he is indeed a sadistic tyrant. Further proof that the Buy-Bull is just bs.
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Re: Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

Unread postby Ludi » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 18:54:45

Great, all we needed here was another loon.


"Set is Satan." :roll:
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Re: Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

Unread postby Flowerr » Wed 30 Jan 2008, 20:25:35

I am correct.
Warning. I would not search into this any further , I will no be responsible for the consequences of snooping into that forbidden area. Do so at your own risk. What i said is true and well documented and I am going to have to recommend you do not check it out, since you don't believe, you have no resistance or protection, you will not escape unscathed.
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Re: Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

Unread postby IslandCrow » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 04:35:59

Four pages on what might happen after death...Does somebody think the great die off is close at hand? :shock:

Fire and brimstone is not the only image found in the bible for 'hell'. There is another one that because of our cultural distance from the mid-east of two thousand years ago will sound like 'heaven' to many of the doomers here:-

The image is of being outside the city and not being allowed in.

Although to express the image more in today's language of PO orientated people it should be something like: "the zoombie hordes are approaching and there is no way I will be allowed into the safety of the bunker". :twisted:
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Re: Does Hell Get a Bad Rap?

Unread postby FreakOil » Thu 31 Jan 2008, 07:22:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IslandCrow', 'i')mage is of being outside the city and not being allowed in.


Interesting. That reminds me of Gilgamesh and all of his talk about building the city walls.
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