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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby Bas » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 13:13:26

has anybody noticed btw that the dollar so far hasn't tanked at all after the rate cut (it's even a little up against the Euro)
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 13:32:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'h')as anybody noticed btw that the dollar so far hasn't tanked at all after the rate cut (it's even a little up against the Euro)


I noticed that too, but it is down pretty sharply from over the weekend, still in the 76-range. My WAG is that the dollar is headed for 74 (73?!) in the next week or so, unless someone has a better sense of what's going on.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby halcyon » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 13:34:03

I don't claim to understand Forex markets, but this one has baffled me too. Gold didn't increase in price significantly either, afaict.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby xerces » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 13:37:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'T')he Fed will print as much money as it needs to and keep the banks propped up. This thing won't tank yet. A slow painful death is the plan. $5.00 gas, $4.00 bread and $6.00 milk by the summer.


At my local groceries in NYC. A loaf of bread is $3.50, and milk is $5.40.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby LoneSnark » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 14:16:03

At my local grocery store a loaf of bread is $1.19 and a gallon of milk is $3.49.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby gnm » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 14:27:40

What at the day old store Snark?

here - bread $2.50
milk $4.29

And thats the local regular milk not organic or anything. That stuff is $6.99

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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 15:59:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SchroedingersCat', 'D')oes it matter that the banks reserves are now negative? As in they have borrowed form the Fed to cover all their reserve requirements and then some? I saw a mention of this over at TOD and had to look for myself:
AGGREGATE RESERVES OF DEPOSITORY INSTITUTIONS

Check out the second chart: Not seasonally adjusted. 8O
Total Non-borrowed Required
39989 -1387 38278

This has not happened in the last 50 years that the Fed's post data for. Not even close.

8O 8O This is truly alarming. Where have the reserves gone to? They don't just disappear from the banking system, unless the Fed is selling treasuries or there are some significant withdrawals. Bad debt write-downs don't reduce reserves AFAIK (I don't mean loan loss reserves, which appear on the other side of the balance sheet). It almost looks as if there has been a "silent run" on the banking system.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby SchroedingersCat » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 17:55:56

It appears that banks have borrowed $40 billion in the last month to cover their reserve requirements. Remember the Fed opening a Temporary Auction Facility (TAF) a couple months back? It allowed the banks to secretly borrow billions from the Fed without the embarrassment of disclosing the transaction to the public. They were able to put up much of the questionable CDO and MBS stuff as security.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 21:10:53

Yes SC, I can see that the recently loaned reserves offset the drop in non-borrowed reserves, but I don't understand why the non-borrowed reserves have dropped so much in the first place.

I can't see how bad debt write-downs would reduce non-borrowed reserves, as reserves are not loaned out to the public and should (?) be immune to balance sheet adjustments resulting from write-downs, which should only affect the value of loan assets and net equity.

Mysterious.. one month the banking system had reserves that it possessed outright, the next month it only has reserves that it owes to the Fed.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 21:19:51

Ah ha! It seems that the Fed has been 'sterilising' the reserve injections of the TAF after all, with open market operations:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')herefore, with the rescue operation of the TAF’s dimension, it has offset TAF auction credit with open market selling operations of U.S. Treasury Bills, see: (-) 61,659 (H4.1) 1/10/08, as well as Treasury Bill redemptions (which decrease the assets on the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet — by reducing the SOMA portfolio), and reverse repos (from non-U.S. banks, etc,) to drain the added reserves from TAF borrowings (H4.1).

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hus the FOMC has maximized the funding supplied to the inter-bank market by (1) accepting a wider variety of “eligible paper” (assumption of risk); using the Federal Reserve’s standard evaluation & haircut procedures, & (2) extending the borrowing period; eventually driving down the market price to counter-parties. Essentially, the “trading desk” substituted virtually all non-borrowed reserves with borrowed reserves at the TAF (injecting its’ maximum liquidity to inter-bank lending). It was a brilliant move by the FED
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby SchroedingersCat » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 22:14:59

Nice find. So basically, the banks got a good enough price from the Fed for these loans that it made sense for them to borrow for their reserves and use the displaced money to offset their writedowns?

This is the Fed injecting liquidity into the system. Directly.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby cube » Wed 23 Jan 2008, 23:03:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('halcyon', 'I') don't claim to understand Forex markets,
It's okay you're not the only one, I'm a day trader and I don't completely understand it either.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('halcyon', 'b')ut this one has baffled me too. Gold didn't increase in price significantly either, afaict.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby MrBill » Thu 24 Jan 2008, 05:54:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('halcyon', 'I') don't claim to understand Forex markets,
It's okay you're not the only one, I'm a day trader and I don't completely understand it either.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('halcyon', 'b')ut this one has baffled me too. Gold didn't increase in price significantly either, afaict.
The market is NOT suppose to make sense, no more so than women. If it was based on pure logic then a computer algorithm can be created to predict the outcome. All you would have to do is sit back, relax, and collect the profits.

However be warned: "Those who look for easy money pay for the privilege of proving it does not exist." :wink:


Just before the Fed rate cut the USD was trading at $1.4370 against the euro, and then it weakened off to $1.4670 afterwards. So it was about a 300 bps move due to the rate cut. One year LIBOR is 2.80% today and it was around 3.08% before the rate cut. Versus Fed funds at 4.25% and then 3.50%. So the market is still pricing in further rate cuts and that will undermine some USD strength. One year EURIBOR is 4.29%, so there is a yield pick-up to sell USD and buy EUR of almost 1.5% p.a. If the EU economy slows down and the ECB eases as well then Bunds would be a good place to be.

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Look at this chart and imagine what markets would look like were various asset prices to revert to their means. There would be a convergence around bond yields with property and equity losing the most.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby Permanently_Baffled » Fri 01 Feb 2008, 18:53:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and his colleagues said Jan. 30 ``risks to growth remain'' after cutting the benchmark rate by a half-point, eight days after an emergency three-quarter- point move. Odds of another half-point cut, to 2.5 percent, in March rose to 84 percent from 68 percent late yesterday, according to April futures quoted on the Chicago Board of Trade.


US fed to cut rates to 2.5% in March

What do you make of this Mr Bill?

How low can the Fed go with rates in your opinion?

Will they go to 0% - 1% if the US continues to head toward recession?
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 01 Feb 2008, 20:23:36

It seems the primary objective of the FED is to support asset values. Funny. Our central bank has a single clear objective: keep inflation at 1-3 %, as close to 2 % as possible. Nothing else is supposed to matter.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby kublikhan » Sun 03 Feb 2008, 15:34:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Armageddon', 'T')he Fed will print as much money as it needs to and keep the banks propped up. This thing won't tank yet. A slow painful death is the plan. $5.00 gas, $4.00 bread and $6.00 milk by the summer.


I wish. I pay $7 for milk and $5-6 for bread right now.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 04 Feb 2008, 06:09:33

The one thing we know for certain about Helicopter Ben is that when in doubt, he will cut first, and raise rates later. It is his publicly stated policy. He will cut to 2.50% - or 1.00% again - to get the US out of recession even if, ironically, this particular recession was caused by the blowing-up of assets bubbles by low real interest rates to begin with.

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This can only exacerbate global imbalances as oil producers and Asian manufacturers manipulate their own currencies to keep them export competitive in the face of lower global demand lead by a US recession. It is a race to the bottom and it is inflationary. Or more accurately stagflationary!

Did anyone check-out the images coming from China as one lousy snowstorm over the holiday period derails the entire economy? Given that level of social unrest do not expect the PBoC to suddenly start shifting FX reserves out of the US dollar, and risk an export lead domestic slowdown. A lot of policy makers are likely feeling very uncomfortable in the bed that they have made.
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby Gerben » Mon 04 Feb 2008, 07:17:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'T')he one thing we know for certain about Helicopter Ben is that when in doubt, he will cut first, and raise rates later. It is his publicly stated policy. He will cut to 2.50% - or 1.00% again - to get the US out of recession even if, ironically, this particular recession was caused by the blowing-up of assets bubbles by low real interest rates to begin with.

This can only exacerbate global imbalances as oil producers and Asian manufacturers manipulate their own currencies to keep them export competitive in the face of lower global demand lead by a US recession. It is a race to the bottom and it is inflationary. Or more accurately stagflationary!

The problem is that he cannot keep cutting rates. 'We' are rapidly approaching 0% interest. And I don't see any quick end to this recession.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')id anyone check-out the images coming from China as one lousy snowstorm over the holiday period derails the entire economy? Given that level of social unrest do not expect the PBoC to suddenly start shifting FX reserves out of the US dollar, and risk an export lead domestic slowdown. A lot of policy makers are likely feeling very uncomfortable in the bed that they have made.

The Chinese have recently allowed their currency appreciate more rapidly. They are aiming for an export lead domestic slowdown: they use the currency appreciation to reduce domestic inflation and slow down their rapid economic growth. I wonder how that strategy continues with the coming US recession: will they continue ttheir current rate of appreciation or will they slow down?
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby MrBill » Mon 04 Feb 2008, 07:37:21

Gerben wrote:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Chinese have recently allowed their currency appreciate more rapidly. They are aiming for an export lead domestic slowdown: they use the currency appreciation to reduce domestic inflation and slow down their rapid economic growth. I wonder how that strategy continues with the coming US recession: will they continue ttheir current rate of appreciation or will they slow down?


The Chinese have been letting the yuan appreciate 'nominally' against the US dollar, but in trade-weighted terms, the increase in exports has NOT been matched by an equivalent increase in the yuan's external value.

Secondly, the Chinese have diversified their foreign exchange accumulation by switching into the euro. That spreads global imbalances from the dollar to the eurozone, but it does not solve the underlying problem - to the domestic Chinese economy from high internal inflation rates - and of global imbalances by artificially keeping their currency weak and externally export competitive.

Ditto for their moves away from low-yielding US treasuries into other asset classes such as real-estate, stocks and other assets. This diversifies their risks, but does not address the undervalued yuan that is at the heart of the problem. But it is globally inflationary as the US dollar is being debased against other weak currencies.

This is a problem that would be solved if the US dollar was simply getting weaker against strong currencies. It is a subtle, but important distinction. With the US running both a current account AND a trade deficit it really does need a weaker US dollar AND higher interest rates to address those deficits by importing less AND saving more domestically. Bernanke is frustrating the latter, while moves by currency manipulators are making the former less likely.

The yuan revaluation by stealth of shifting those external foreign exchange reserves into euros and other types of assets is an important first step, but it is only a first step, and it can be quickly reversed IF domestic growth AND export lead demand slow due to a global slowdown lead by a US recession.

I am remarking that the recent storm images coming from China are very disturbing, and the Chinese government wants social stability at the moment, especially ahead of this summer's Beijing Olympics. Therefore, do not expect bold moves by the government, PBoC or their SWFs if those moves would further imperile exports or hurt their export partners. China Inc. has been running a jobs at any cost economic policy, and 2008 is not looking like the year when that basic policy changes! ; - )

UPDATE: weather concerns, market jitters
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')HANGHAI (Reuters) - China's main stock index jumped more than 8 percent on Monday in its biggest daily rise since June 2005, after authorities intervened to halt a three-week slide in share prices.
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Chinese bonds continued a 10-day-old rally on Monday because of expectations China will soon loosen monetary policy to offset the impact of a slowing U.S. economy, and to ease the funding squeeze suffered by small banks and firms in recent weeks. There is also speculation that fiscal policy may be loosened.


Source: China stocks jump 8.1 pct as govt comes to rescue
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Re: FED Cuts rates by 75 basis points

Unread postby MC2 » Tue 05 Feb 2008, 02:25:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'T')he one thing we know for certain about Helicopter Ben is that when in doubt, he will cut first, and raise rates later. ... ironically, this particular recession was caused by the blowing-up of assets bubbles by low real interest rates to begin with.

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This can only exacerbate global imbalances as oil producers and Asian manufacturers manipulate their own currencies to keep them export competitive in the face of lower global demand lead by a US recession. It is a race to the bottom and it is inflationary. Or more accurately stagflationary!


I think there's a problem with the idea that another bubble will be formed. What will it be made from? Housing was the last, what else is left to "bubble" up? Some have suggested oil and its related industry, others have suggested alternative energy, but I'm thinking the inflation is done. It's deflation now. It was hard to come to that conclusion, as I'd been in the camp that P.O. will force inflation willy nilly. But I don't see it that way anymore. P.O. will just add to the general level of despondency, suffer quite a bit of demand destruction, and fuels will be one of the more expensive things in every family's budget.

But I don't think we will see an inflationary bubble, much as they would like to be able to engineer one.
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