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Death & Birth

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 15:08:08

We come into this world in a painful way, but we don't remember it. We leave in a painful way too. We probably won't remember that either. It reminds me of a story of a Roman soldier who scaled the walls first and was sliced to pieces. I don't remember his name, but he went out young and strong. What's my point? I don't really have one except that when it's over, it's over. No more pain, no more suffering, no more pleasure, it's just over. The whole absurdity of it is just over.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 15:20:59

I don't think this subject has been addressed. But it's certainly a central one. About as central as it gets. Nobody likes the idea that they're going to die. But we all will.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby dinopello » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 15:37:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e come into this world in a painful way, but we don't remember it.


I remember it, it wasn't so bad. Kind of like stepping out of the shower on a cold day as I recall. A little shivery at first but once you get a towel around you, you're good to go.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby SpringCreekFarm » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 15:46:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e come into this world in a painful way, but we don't remember it.


I remember it, it wasn't so bad. Kind of like stepping out of the shower on a cold day as I recall. A little shivery at first but once you get a towel around you, you're good to go.


I know a person who claims that he can remember his birth.

How is this possible?

I personally don't believe it simply because a child doesn't have the cognitive ability until much later in life. Why would anyone be able to remember this event?

Other than this one fact, the guy who I'm referring to seems well balanced and not a bullshitter.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby SpringCreekFarm » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 15:49:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e come into this world in a painful way, but we don't remember it. We leave in a painful way too. We probably won't remember that either. It reminds me of a story of a Roman soldier who scaled the walls first and was sliced to pieces. I don't remember his name, but he went out young and strong. What's my point? I don't really have one except that when it's over, it's over. No more pain, no more suffering, no more pleasure, it's just over. The whole absurdity of it is just over.


The fact that it will end one day is rather comforting to me. I'm not convinced that there is an afterlife so it's ok with me if there is nothing...just nothing. After all the struggles and pain we face, the nothingness of after we die is something to look forward to. Rest without conciousness.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby dinopello » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 16:04:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', ' ')I know a person who claims that he can remember his birth. How is this possible? I personally don't believe it simply because a child doesn't have the cognitive ability until much later in life. Why would anyone be able to remember this event?

My first memories are from just before I could walk. It amazes my brothers and sisters.

It's a fine line between pleasure and pain.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 16:04:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', ' ')Rest without conciousness.
It's rest without being. But that's OK too. I'm in a bad mood.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby paimei01 » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 16:16:38

"Do not take life seriously, nobody gets out alive"
http://paimei01.blogspot.com/
One day there will be so many houses, that people will be bored and will go live in tents. "Why are you living in tents ? Are there not enough homes ?" "Yes there are, but we play this Economy game". Now it's "Crisis" time !Too many houses! Yes, we are insane!
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 16:18:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'W')e come into this world in a painful way, but we don't remember it.


I remember it, it wasn't so bad. Kind of like stepping out of the shower on a cold day as I recall. A little shivery at first but once you get a towel around you, you're good to go.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby Narz » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 19:11:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', ' ')Rest without conciousness.
It's rest without being. But that's OK too. I'm in a bad mood.

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Re: Death & Birth

Postby WildRose » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 19:37:43

The weirdest thing about this topic to me, is thinking about the moment of actually passing from life to death. Can people tell that they're about to breathe their last breath? What about when they die in their sleep? It's hard for me to imagine nothing, just not being, when all I've ever known is being. I imagine still having feelings and thoughts when my physical being is dead, though I'm not sure what I believe spiritually as far as an afterlife is concerned.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby Opies » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 21:55:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'T')he weirdest thing about this topic to me, is thinking about the moment of actually passing from life to death. Can people tell that they're about to breathe their last breath? What about when they die in their sleep? It's hard for me to imagine nothing, just not being, when all I've ever known is being. I imagine still having feelings and thoughts when my physical being is dead, though I'm not sure what I believe spiritually as far as an afterlife is concerned.


This is why death scares nearly everyone. It is impossible to abstractly conceptualize what it's like to not exist.

Sounds tranquil to me, but I'm just as scared of it as the next person as the next person as the next person. Some questions don't have answers and this is one of them. Make up what you will, but it's all the same in the end.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 22:21:43

Yeah, I would really like to be someone who could be at peace with their death. Honestly, it scares the crap out of me. I like existing. I think it's really intriguing to see how the world unfolds. Maybe it's just an artifact of being exposed to too many fictional stories. In a lot of ways life feels like reading a really thrilling book that's missing the last five chapters. I don't want to be cut off in the middle of the story. I want to see the whole plot.

I've been thinking a fair bit about it this week. I just found out that a girl from my high school class died of "natural causes" a couple of days ago. We weren't especially close, but my graduating class was 106 people, so you knew everybody. When you're a kid, death is something that only happens if you do something stupid...drive drunk, shoot meth, commit suicide, etc. I don't like the idea that I am getting to the age where death might come seek you out when you didn't even do anything to bring it on.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 22:26:39

I don't have a religion, but if I did it would be gnostic. It would be nice if I could believe in Christ. That would give me hope.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby Ang » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 22:36:54

I'm not afraid of death for my sake, I'm just afraid of not being around for my family. I had an interesting vision (for lack of a better word) about 6 years ago. I saw and felt what I believe comes after death and it was beautiful and it made me feel very safe and very comforted.

Wish I could share!! :)
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby uncarve_db_lock » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 22:39:10

I heard someone once say that looking at death as the end of life is like looking at the horizon as the end of the world.

I agree that we can never know whats beyond the great equalizing horizon but we can accept it as our final destination.

I took a bunch of philosophy classes in my undergrad years and dealt with various concepts of death. Accepting it is truly liberating.

I feel if more people accepted what was the only the only guarantee in life, the whole world would be a lot better off.

we can live by dying or die by living. I think most of us fall into the later camp, implying that on some level, we have at least come to terms with it.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 23:41:52

Yeah. I'd like to believe all that existential/spiritual stuff. Really I would. But a big part of me thinks that is all stuff that we make up to hide from our pain...to avoid having to accept the reality of a friend in a wood box being tossed in a hole and covered with dirt.

A big part of me thinks that Joker from Full Metal Jacket nailed it: "The dead know only one thing....that it is better to be alive."
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby WildRose » Wed 16 Jan 2008, 00:00:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Opies', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WildRose', 'T')he weirdest thing about this topic to me, is thinking about the moment of actually passing from life to death. Can people tell that they're about to breathe their last breath? What about when they die in their sleep? It's hard for me to imagine nothing, just not being, when all I've ever known is being. I imagine still having feelings and thoughts when my physical being is dead, though I'm not sure what I believe spiritually as far as an afterlife is concerned.


This is why death scares nearly everyone. It is impossible to abstractly conceptualize what it's like to not exist.

Sounds tranquil to me...


But that's what gets me. If there really is nothing else, and you feel or think nothing after physical death, how can it sound tranquil? Wouldn't you have to be able to make a comparison between, say, struggle and peace, to feel tranquil? If there is nothing, you feel nothing. Or did you mean that now, while you're living all of life's challenges, the idea of no longer having to feel anything would bring you tranquility?
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby zzzpeakoil » Wed 16 Jan 2008, 00:48:42

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This is why death scares nearly everyone. It is impossible to abstractly conceptualize what it's like to not exist.



I disagree. I think it's quite easy to explain how not existing "is".
Basicly, the state after dieing is the same state with the one before birth. Think about what you were thinking and feeling before you were given birth, and you will know exactly what you will feel after you die. Nothing, that is. Of course, religious people have their own delusions about the subject, but they will still have the same end.

A romanian philosopher was particulary fascinated and contemplated the state of not existing. He was a misanthrope and probably a nihilist. At the age of 20 he proclaimed himself as an expert on the topic of death. His life as a philosopher is extremely interesting. His name is Emil Cioran.

I do not fear death in the sense that it terrifies me thinking that I'm gonna die eventually. The thought of dieing in great pain scares me, and also dieing too early, or too late. I do not want to live after 70+ if my health condition isn't very good. A few days ago I read an article about an old woman aged 114. From her picture and form the fact that she was basicly blind, deaf, and mute, I would not want to reach that age. I think it's a great misery to await your death for decades while you are condemned to stay in bed 24/7.

I want to say one more thing. It's a pity that most people don't really enjoy living while they are alive, and waste their lives decieving themselves and others that their god/goddess/gods will grant them a better one. For this reason but not only this one I condemn all religions except satanism as enemies of life and worshippers of death.
Suicide bombers think that after they die they will get their reward of 72 virgins in heaven. Just an example to show what delusions of afterlife can make from humans.
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Re: Death & Birth

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 16 Jan 2008, 02:02:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')A big part of me thinks that Joker from Full Metal Jacket nailed it: "The dead know only one thing....that it is better to be alive."
that's pretty cool SPG, but I have to wonder if it's true. Now I'm not about to nail myself, but sometimes life seems like a curse.
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