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US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby KevO » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 11:15:50

oh dearie me

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')S banking giant Citigroup has reported a $9.83bn (£5bn) net loss for the last three months of 2007.

Chief executive Vikram Pandit said the loss had been caused by a $18.1bn exposure to bad mortgage debt and was "clearly unacceptable".

The company, the largest banking group in the US, said revenues during the fourth quarter fell 70% from a year earlier to $7.2bn.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7188909.stm
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby cipi604 » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 11:59:40

"unsinkable" they say!
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby aahala » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 12:38:03

Certainly this is not good news and it's very large numbers.

However, Citicorp still had net income for the entire year,
about 3.6 billion. This amount may be small compared to
past years and the size of the bank, but how long does it
take to go under if you make a profit?
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby VinceG » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 12:49:47

We can say bye-bye now to high oil prices for a very long time :-D
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby KevO » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 13:00:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VinceG', 'W')e can say bye-bye now to high oil prices for a very long time :-D


how figure?
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby seahorse2 » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 13:09:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', '"')unsinkable" they say!


How many lifeboats are there? We better check. The water is cold, dark and deep. We are not sailing in the Carribean.
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby thor » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 14:53:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VinceG', 'W')e can say bye-bye now to high oil prices for a very long time :-D


The transportation sector is still buzzing along and the Chindians have not shown any signs of taking it easy, with or withough US largest bank I might add.
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby gnm » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 15:00:14

Yeah - it will do the usual "oil drops $2 on signs of slowing economy" until a day or two later when the traders realize that nobody is buying less and China/India are taking advantage of the drop to buy even more! Then back up we go!

:roll:

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Unread postby ChefBoyardee » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 19:31:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'Y')eah - it will do the usual "oil drops $2 on signs of slowing economy" until a day or two later when the traders realize that nobody is buying less and China/India are taking advantage of the drop to buy even more! Then back up we go!

:roll:

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That is true but don't forget that China and India are not going to grow indefinitely. There will be a crash for them undoubtedly.

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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby ChefBoyardee » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 19:33:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'Y')eah - it will do the usual "oil drops $2 on signs of slowing economy" until a day or two later when the traders realize that nobody is buying less and China/India are taking advantage of the drop to buy even more! Then back up we go!

:roll:

-G


That is true but don't forget that China and India are not going to grow indefinitely. There will be a crash for them undoubtedly.

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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby Starvid » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 20:13:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cipi604', '"')unsinkable" they say!


How many lifeboats are there? We better check. The water is cold, dark and deep. We are not sailing in the Carribean.
Life boats?

I say let's rearrange the deck chairs.

But I must say it's extremely funny seeing Wall Street banks being nationalized by the Arabs and Chinese. :twisted:
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 20:19:43

<i>There will be a crash for them undoubtedly.</i>

Bull cookies. You're talkin' out the wrong end.

The world is no longer dependent on the US, neither our consumerism nor our dollar. The US is toast. The rest of the world could arguably be better off without us.

(Spare me your urgent need to spout "the US is the greatest nation in the world" or some such similar drival.)

Citibank just gave you the <i>lowest</i> loss figure they could believably come up with at this time. Trust me, it's double if not a <i>lot</i> more. By May most of the cards will be on the table.
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby gnm » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 20:22:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cid_Yama', '&')lt;i>There will be a crash for them undoubtedly.</i>

Bull cookies. You're talkin' out the wrong end.

The world is no longer dependent on the US, neither our consumerism nor our dollar. The US is toast. The rest of the world could arguably be better off without us.


You might remember that the world also can't afford a bankrupt and unstable HEAVILY ARMED NUCLEAR SUPERPOWER.

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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 20:31:05

If there was an out of control unstable individual waving a gun about, what WOULD law enforcement's probable reaction be? Apply THAT to nations. The world will not allow itself to be taken nuclear hostage. It would be best handled INTERNALLY before it got to that point.
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 20:42:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')itibank just gave you the lowest loss figure they could believably come up with at this time.


I agree with this one. I was going to go back to citi's financial statements to try to calculate how long they have before TSHTF and it suddenly occurred to me that every financial statement they have is suspect at this point.

No one knows the "value" of any of their assets. They have a nominal dollar amount that they might have been worth at some point, but clearly are not "worth" that in any real sense.

Even if they have a portfolio of loans that are "performing", that is, the borrowers are making the payments, they are no longer backed up by any known amount of underlying assets.

Also, Citi is just one of the many players that are in exactly the same boat.

Also, at this point, no one, including me, knows what the value of their real estate is. The inventory of unsold homes in my area is approximately 24 months.

This situation will continue until or unless some confidence is restored to the system, if possible.
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Re: US largest bank posts $10 billion loss in 3 months

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Tue 15 Jan 2008, 20:51:07

<i>it suddenly occurred to me that every financial statement they have is suspect at this point.
they are no longer backed up by any known amount of underlying assets.</i>

Exactly, <i>on the money</i>, as the saying goes. Might I suggest <b>Money as Debt</b> the best (and simplest) explanation of fractional banking.

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