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Unread postby MSimon » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 16:17:16

This changes everything.

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Re: Economic Growth With Increasing Energy?

Unread postby americandream » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 17:35:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', 'T')his changes everything.

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An item on a blogsite! It's kinda strange because I'ld just been reading about the suggestive nonsense that passes off for self development, and voila!
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Re: Economic Growth With Increasing Energy?

Unread postby Concerned » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 17:37:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', 'T')his changes everything.

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First read limits to growth. There are not enough resources for earth to support six and one half billion people living at American and western European standards.

Second please call me when they have a "working" reactor. The theory and physics look GREAT. Before I get too excited I want to see at the very least one just one working reactor creating steady regular electricity.

But I guess we're saved rah rah rah... please
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Re: Economic Growth With Increasing Energy?

Unread postby MSimon » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 19:24:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', 'T')his changes everything.

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First read limits to growth. There are not enough resources for earth to support six and one half billion people living at American and western European standards.

Second please call me when they have a "working" reactor. The theory and physics look GREAT. Before I get too excited I want to see at the very least one just one working reactor creating steady regular electricity.

But I guess we're saved rah rah rah... please


When we start building these reactors they will take us into space. Plenty of resources in the asteroid belt. Enough to keep us busy for the next few thousand years at least.

BTW I have studied the physics and technology. The current experiments confirm what Dr. Bussard did in his previous experiments. In any case we will know in 70 to 120 days if it is worthwhile to go forward with designs for a full power reactor.

You can study this stuff yourself. I have it all laid out at:

IEC Fusion Technology blog

If you find anything you object to leave a comment. I'd love to find a hole in my argument. Because, I am totally against waste. Consider it your chance to be a part of a design review.
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Re: Economic Growth With Increasing Energy?

Unread postby JPL » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 20:31:16

Oh great. Yet another example of 1970's technology attempting to solve the problems of the 21'st century. Like, err, NOT.

Fusion is a dead-duck. It's a beautiful example of one of those things you can grow old & grey waiting to happen. In my case, quite literally.

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Unread postby MSimon » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 22:04:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'O')h great. Yet another example of 1970's technology attempting to solve the problems of the 21'st century. Like, err, NOT.

Fusion is a dead-duck. It's a beautiful example of one of those things you can grow old & grey waiting to happen. In my case, quite literally.

JP


Obviously you are pontificating on something you have not studied.

I have noticed that it is quite common.

So let me make you the same offer.

Go to

IEC Fusion Technology blog

and poke holes if you are able. I would love to have my mistakes pointed out. Keeps me honest.

The floating "it can't possibly work" serves no useful purpose. Unless it makes you feel good to be secure in your faith. When in which case I sincerely hope your faith is not falsified. That can be so disturbing. It upsets the whole social order.

I know that "enough for every one" is not popular here. So I'm kinda odd man out. So be it.
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Re: Economic Growth With Increasing Energy?

Unread postby Concerned » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 03:58:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', 'T')his changes everything.

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First read limits to growth. There are not enough resources for earth to support six and one half billion people living at American and western European standards.

Second please call me when they have a "working" reactor. The theory and physics look GREAT. Before I get too excited I want to see at the very least one just one working reactor creating steady regular electricity.

But I guess we're saved rah rah rah... please


When we start building these reactors they will take us into space. Plenty of resources in the asteroid belt. Enough to keep us busy for the next few thousand years at least.

BTW I have studied the physics and technology. The current experiments confirm what Dr. Bussard did in his previous experiments. In any case we will know in 70 to 120 days if it is worthwhile to go forward with designs for a full power reactor.

You can study this stuff yourself. I have it all laid out at:

IEC Fusion Technology blog

If you find anything you object to leave a comment. I'd love to find a hole in my argument. Because, I am totally against waste. Consider it your chance to be a part of a design review.


There is not one hole in your argument. It's all "possible".

The only problem is you are dreaming. Like when I click on to playboy bunnies and fantasize you however like to dream a different dream. MORE POWER TO YOU :)
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Re: Economic Growth With Increasing Energy?

Unread postby MSimon » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 04:18:21

So you can't find any holes in my arguments, but you tell me I'm dreaming.

So what is the dream? Is the US Navy Funding experiments - yes or no?

Are results to date though meager consistent with previous experiments - yes or no?

I have studied the science and technology (I'm an aerospace engineer by trade - one step below rocket scientist) and have found no show stoppers in my professional judgment - yes or no?

Have I designed a test reactor that has been positively reviewed by physicists and engineers interested in the technology - yes or no?

Is the design open source so that any one interested, layman or expert can critique it - yes or no?

So please explain where the dreams come from. Is the statement you make based on personal understanding of the science and technology or just a feeling or something you heard from some one else who is intimately familiar with the science and technology?

I believe I can defend my position based on science and technology. Of course changing your feelings is beyond my capabilities.

I was really hoping to get some valid criticism - a design review if you will. So far only hand waving. And very low quality hand waving at that. Certainly there is some one who reads this blog who can do better. Well one can hope.
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Unread postby Concerned » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 16:24:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', 'S')o you can't find any holes in my arguments, but you tell me I'm dreaming.

So what is the dream? Is the US Navy Funding experiments - yes or no?

Are results to date though meager consistent with previous experiments - yes or no?


Not one hole except the big one that a fully functional working stable power generation system based on the theory does not exist.

You gotta have a dream I suppose.
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Re: Economic Growth With Increasing Energy?

Unread postby MSimon » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 17:02:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', 'S')o you can't find any holes in my arguments, but you tell me I'm dreaming.

So what is the dream? Is the US Navy Funding experiments - yes or no?

Are results to date though meager consistent with previous experiments - yes or no?


Not one hole except the big one that a fully functional working stable power generation system based on the theory does not exist.

You gotta have a dream I suppose.


I don't have a dream. I have an engineering project.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."

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Unread postby JPL » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 21:23:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'O')h great. Yet another example of 1970's technology attempting to solve the problems of the 21'st century. Like, err, NOT.

Fusion is a dead-duck. It's a beautiful example of one of those things you can grow old & grey waiting to happen. In my case, quite literally.

JP


Obviously you are pontificating on something you have not studied.

I have noticed that it is quite common.

So let me make you the same offer.

Go to

IEC Fusion Technology blog

and poke holes if you are able. I would love to have my mistakes pointed out. Keeps me honest.

The floating "it can't possibly work" serves no useful purpose. Unless it makes you feel good to be secure in your faith. When in which case I sincerely hope your faith is not falsified. That can be so disturbing. It upsets the whole social order.

I know that "enough for every one" is not popular here. So I'm kinda odd man out. So be it.


Excuse me mate, I have a degree in engineering & have also spent the last 20 years (on and off) campaigning for the 'Green' movement in Europe.

I built my first prototype windmill when I was 23 & I currently live on a smalholding in France on which I grow (most of) my own food and produce (most of) my own power.

I have a good knowledge of nuclear physics & follow the subject with a great deal of interest.

If... you would actually listen to what people on this forum are saying, you might learn something. Rather than just wanking off over the latest tokamak/Buzzard, convex/concave field-containment (or whatever) brochure.

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Re: Economic Growth With Increasing Energy?

Unread postby MSimon » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 22:00:41

Mate,

I'm not wanking. I'm designing. I'm a retired aerospace engineer.

Glad to hear you have lots of degrees. That could possibly be helpful.

Go to the url provided and start doing a real design review instead of hand waving and name calling.

I'm starting to question the competence of the folks here. Lots of belief. No engineering or science. Sheesh.
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Re: Economic Growth With Increasing Energy?

Unread postby JPL » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 23:04:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', 'M')ate,

I'm not wanking. I'm designing. I'm a retired aerospace engineer.

Glad to hear you have lots of degrees. That could possibly be helpful.

Go to the url provided and start doing a real design review instead of hand waving and name calling.

I'm starting to question the competence of the folks here. Lots of belief. No engineering or science. Sheesh.


I am no questioning your ability - just your presence & attitude here. I case you haven't noticed, this is a discussion board about something called 'Peak Oil'.

Now. If you need a primer on Peak Oil, there are plenty of people here who can fill you in on the facts. Or read some of the links on the front page.

But, if I can put in a nutshell, Peak Oil basically means this:

YOU ARE GOING TO DIE YOU STUPID BASTARD, PROBABLY OF STARVATION, MAYBE IN A WAR, OR MAYBE GLOBAL WARMING MIGHT HAVE SOME INTERESETING TWIST UP ITS SLEEVE THAT NONE OF US KNOW ABOUT YET.

Ahhh, I feel better now. Some-one please help me back to my feet....

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Unread postby Concerned » Sun 13 Jan 2008, 03:46:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MSimon', '
')I don't have a dream. I have an engineering project.

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."

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"Lawrence"

Well if I phrased it as "a vision" instead of "a dream" would it make a difference?

Or is it just an engineering project to get some funding to finance your lifestyle? If so it's even worse than a dream at least a dream has hope.
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