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Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby Euric » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 15:58:39

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=83317

Status of dollar as world currency threatened


By By Sajid Aziz
2007-11-29

KARACHI: Many economists are seriously thinking over the impact of a weakening dollar on country’s economy. One thing is very clear that the already dwindling exports will suffer a major setback in case the US dollar collapses.

Besides economic experts the stakeholders in the forex market too, are really worried over the prevailing situation as the dollar is constantly losing value against Euro and some other currencies. Speculations are rife that a few countries are seriously considering abandoning US dollar as currency of choice for foreign trade. Most of them are oil-producing countries.

“It’s no secret that the dollar is on a downward spiral. Its value is dropping, and a number of countries are considering a shift away from the dollar to preserve their assets and how they’ll affect its value and the US economy,” said a US economist.

The prominent among countries planning to abandon dollar are Iran, Venezuela, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Russia, China and South Korea. The Telegraph reports that for the first time, Saudi Arabia has refused to cut interest rates along with the US Federal Reserve. This is seen as a signal that a break from the dollar currency peg is imminent. The kingdom is taking ‘appropriate measures’ to protect itself from letting the dollar cause problems for their own economy. They are concerned about the threat of inflation and don’t want to deal with ‘recessionary conditions’ in the US.

Hans Redeker of BNP Paribas believes this creates a “very dangerous situation for the dollar,” as Saudi Arabia alone manages $800 billion. Experts fear that a break from the dollar in Saudi Arabia could set off a ‘stampede’ from the dollar in the Middle East, a region that manages $3,500 billion.

In 2005, South Korea announced its intention to shift its investments to currencies of countries other than the US. Although they are simply making plans to diversify for the future, that does not mean a large dollar drop is not in the works. There are whispers that the Bank of Korea is planning on selling $1 billion US bonds in the near future, after a $100 million sale this past August.

After already dropping the dollar peg in 2005, China has more trouble up its sleeve. Currently, China is threatening a ‘nuclear option’ of huge dollar liquidation in response to possible trade sanctions intended to force a Yuan revaluation.

Although China “doesn’t want any undesirable phenomenon in the global financial order,” their large sum of US dollars does serve as a “bargaining chip. As we have noted in the past, China has the power to take the wind out of the dollar,” economic analysts say.

Under Hugo Chavez, Venezuela has little loyalty US dollar. It is seriously thinking over trading oil with 12 Latin American countries and Cuba without using the dollar, shorting the US of its usual subsidy. Chavez is not shy about this decision, and has publicly encouraged others to adopt similar arrangements.

In 2000, Chavez recommended to OPEC that they “take advantage of high-tech electronic barter and bilateral exchanges of its oil with its developing country customers,” or in other words, stop using the dollar, or even the Euro, for oil transactions. In September, Chavez instructed Venezuela’s state oil company Petroleos de Venezuela SA to change its dollar investments to euros and other currencies in order to mitigate risk.

Reports suggested that Sudan is, once again, planning to convert its dollar holdings to the Euro and other currencies. Additionally, they have recommended to commercial banks, government departments, and private businesses to do the same.

In 1997, the Central Bank of Sudan made a similar recommendation in reaction to US sanctions from former President Clinton, but the implementation failed. This time around, 31 Sudanese companies have become subject to sanctions, preventing them from doing trade or financial transactions with the US. A decision to move Sudan away from the dollar is intended to allow the country to work around these sanctions as well as any implemented in the future.

Recently, Iran requested that its shipments to Japan be traded for yen instead of dollars. Further, Iran has plans in the works to create an open commodity exchange called the Iran Oil Bourse. This exchange would make it possible to trade oil and gas in non-dollar currencies, the Euro in particular.

Although the oil bourse has missed at least three of its announced opening dates, it serves to make clear Iran’s intentions for the dollar. As of October 2007, Iran receives non-dollar currencies for 85 per cent of its oil exports, and has plans to move the remaining 15 per cent to currencies like the United Arab Emirates dirham.

In 2006, Russian President, Vladimir Putin expressed interest in establishing a Russian stock exchange which would allow oil, gas, and other goods to be paid for in Rubles.

Russia’s intentions are no secret-in the past, they have made it clear that they’re wary of holding too many dollar reserves. In 2004, Russian central bank First Deputy Chairman, Alexei Ulyukayev remarked, “Most of our reserves are in dollars, and that’s a cause for concern.” He went on to explain that, after considering the dollar’s rate against the Euro; Russia is “discussing the possibility of changing the reserve structure.”

Then in 2005, Russia put an end to its dollar peg, opting instead to move towards a Euro alignment. They’ve discussed pricing oil in euros, a move that could provide a large shift away from the dollar and towards the Euro, as Russia is the world’s second-largest oil exporter.

Although it’s not clear how many of these countries will actually follow through on an abandonment of the dollar, it is clear that its status as a world currency is in trouble, the report added.

But despite all such indicators, some of the economists do not foresee any big threat to the US economy in the near future as the prominent economist, Kaiser Bengali was of the opinion that all such assumptions is an exaggeration as the US dollar is very strong currency.

“It is true that the US economy will be extremely under pressure and the US government would be forced to cut imports”. Bengali further said in such a situation, the economies such as Pakistan would be suffering most as its exports would be reduced massively.

The prominent currency dealer, Owais Kalia while commenting on the weakening dollar, said that there is no immediate threat to country’s economy as Pakistan has enough forex reserves and in such a situation, we would be able to support our economy.
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby Fiddlerdave » Tue 01 Jan 2008, 02:09:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Lakota withdraw from treaties, declare independence from U.S.


The Lone Ranger: "Tonto! They are saying there may be a stampede away from the dollar worldwide! With the burden of our huge national debt, we know that will cause a collapse of the US economy! We are in REAL TROUBLE!"

Tonto: "Tonto and friends already long hear sound of many running feet! BTW, what you mean "we", White Man?"
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 01 Jan 2008, 04:38:07

As I was mentioning to a friend today, there are more countries backing out of the USD than we can realistically make war on.

Since making war on any country that backs out of the petro-dollar has been our traditional method of dealing with threats to the dollar, this is bad news indeed.
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby LoneSnark » Tue 01 Jan 2008, 15:31:17

Odd, we have not made war on most of the countries that backed out of the dollar peg, such as Canada, Britain, and all of Europe 30 years ago, or China just a few years ago. So I suspect you are mistaken.
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 01 Jan 2008, 20:14:04

No, I am not mistaken. Our Empire has managed to not collapse decades ago by forcing the world to buy and sell oil in dollars. This is often termed the "petro dollar".

What's going on now is the petro-dollar system is collapsing.
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby cube » Tue 01 Jan 2008, 20:17:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'N')o, I am not mistaken. Our Empire has managed to not collapse decades ago by forcing the world to buy and sell oil in dollars. This is often termed the "petro dollar".

What's going on now is the petro-dollar system is collapsing.
*smacks forehead and shakes head in disbelief*

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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby Petrodollar » Sun 06 Jan 2008, 21:01:29

...just another fyi about the dollar's decline as a world reserve currency...


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]U.S. dollars no longer accepted at Indian tourist sitesLast
Updated: Thursday, January 3, 2008 | 9:40 AM ET
The Associated Press

No U.S. dollars, just rupees please.

In a sign of how the once-mighty U.S. dollar has fallen, India's tourism minister said Thursday that U.S. dollars will no longer be accepted at heritage tourist sites, including the Taj Mahal.

For years, the dollar was worth about 50 rupees and tourists visiting most sites in India were charged either $5 or 250 rupees.
But with the dollar at a nine-year low against the rupee —falling 11 per cent in 2007 alone and now hovering at around 39 rupees — that deal has become a losing proposition for the tourism industry.


http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2008/01/03/rupees.html
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby Mechler » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 14:24:52

Fed to cut interest rates again

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ederal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke pledged Thursday to slash interest rates yet again to prevent housing and credit problems from plunging the country into a recession.


I'm sure this will help the dollar :P
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby LoneSnark » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 17:34:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a sign of how the once-mighty U.S. dollar has fallen, India's tourism minister said Thursday that U.S. dollars will no longer be accepted at heritage tourist sites, including the Taj Mahal.

My father was catching a cab from a Japanese airport in 1988 and tried to tip the skycap with dollars. The skycap angrily stated 'worthless' in english and then threw the money in the gutter before storming away in disgust. The cab driver insisted on being paid in Yen and refused to drive him anywhere but a place where the dollars could be exchanged.
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby cube » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 20:20:34

To: LoneSnark

What is it going to take you to come over to the dark side and put your money into commodities like oil, wheat, and gold? :-D
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby Bas » Thu 10 Jan 2008, 20:34:16

ah, the "problem" is that the central banks of the world are too afraid to sell dollars; talk about a subsidized nation :razz:


...well it's pretty sad actually considering how much the average American curses foreign aid and all that...
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Unread postby LoneSnark » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 12:06:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is it going to take you to come over to the dark side and put your money into commodities like oil, wheat, and gold?

At these inflated prices? Never going to happen. To get a reasonable rate of return real commodity prices would need to double every seven years or so, not very likely. However, extraction companies such as Exxon pay dividends and increase in value even if commodity prices stagnate. So, if you want to speculate in favor of a Peak Oil future buying Exxon stock should do it.
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby cube » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 14:12:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LoneSnark', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is it going to take you to come over to the dark side and put your money into commodities like oil, wheat, and gold?

At these inflated prices? Never going to happen. To get a reasonable rate of return real commodity prices would need to double every seven years or so, not very likely. However, extraction companies such as Exxon pay dividends and increase in value even if commodity prices stagnate. So, if you want to speculate in favor of a Peak Oil future buying Exxon stock should do it.
Are you saying you're open to the idea of investing in companies that make their bread and butter through the current bull market in commodities examples: energy companies, gold mining companies, etc...

or perhaps do you believe such companies are riding on the coattails of overinflated commodities and investment money would be better placed elsewhere? :wink:
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby LoneSnark » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 16:17:52

Sure, in my opinion commodity companies are probably over-valued, just as their commodities are over-valued. But, unlike commodities themselves, owning these companies is unlikely to lose you money in the long-run no matter what happens.
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby cube » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 17:52:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LoneSnark', 'S')ure, in my opinion commodity companies are probably over-valued, just as their commodities are over-valued.
Speaking purely from an investment angle, one of the things that I've learned the HARD way is that whether or not something is over/under priced is irrelevant. Tech stocks back in 1998 and real estate in 2003 were ridiculously overpriced by any logical measurement standard. However there was still 2 more good years to ride the gravy train. What is most important is the trend and not the price believe it or not. Do I feel sore for missing out on 2 of the biggest bubbles of the past 100 years? Not really, I hesitated and lost the chance to make a quick buck because I naively believed the world operated on logic, but at least I got a good "education" out of it. I'm making up for it right now with commodities....on the margin. :-D
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 18:16:24

Cube, Commodities could stay pretty firm on insane climate change, soil depletion, drought. Industrial metals, though, will likely get kneed. I can't see them holding up in what is sure to be a global down turn.

But you bet, the thing to do is isolate a sector that is prone to sustained hype and then pull out before it reaches orgasm. :lol:
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby cube » Fri 11 Jan 2008, 19:26:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'C')ube, Commodities could stay pretty firm on insane climate change, soil depletion, drought. Industrial metals, though, will likely get kneed. I can't see them holding up in what is sure to be a global down turn.

But you bet, the thing to do is isolate a sector that is prone to sustained hype and then pull out before it reaches orgasm. :lol:
I am a trader. I don't recommend anybody to follow my path. It's not good for one's mental health and would probably lead to an early grave, but on the plus side it does make for an exciting life.

You've seen those news stories where they interview people who reach 100 years old and ask what's your secret? They usually say things like: stay active, get plenty of sleep, etc... I've never heard a 100yr old person say, "I was a day trader." :P
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby manu » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 05:56:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LoneSnark', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n a sign of how the once-mighty U.S. dollar has fallen, India's tourism minister said Thursday that U.S. dollars will no longer be accepted at heritage tourist sites, including the Taj Mahal.

My father was catching a cab from a Japanese airport in 1988 and tried to tip the skycap with dollars. The skycap angrily stated 'worthless' in english and then threw the money in the gutter before storming away in disgust. The cab driver insisted on being paid in Yen and refused to drive him anywhere but a place where the dollars could be exchanged.


That is why they have currency exchanges in airports. I guess your father had never been outside the U.S.A.
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby LoneSnark » Sat 12 Jan 2008, 12:47:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat is why they have currency exchanges in airports.

It was closed.
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Re: Status of dollar as world currency threatened

Unread postby Petrodollar » Mon 28 Jan 2008, 13:27:35

...just some comments from the World Economic Forum in Davos (circa Jan 2008)...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.j ... lar123.xml

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Dollar's golden era is ending, warns Soros
By Edmund Conway in Davos
Last Updated: 12:28am GMT 25/01/2008


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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Mr Soros also warned that the dollar's status as the world's reserve currency was drawing to an end, thanks in part to the financial crisis on Wall Street. He said the plight of US households, who are facing major slumps in nationwide house prices for the first time in living memory, was increasing the distaste among international investors for the greenback.

He said: "The current crisis is not only the bust that follows the housing boom, it's basically the end of a 60-year period of continuing credit expansion based on the dollar as the reserve currency. Now the rest of the world is increasingly unwilling to accumulate dollars."

The meetings in the Swiss mountain town have so far been dominated by talk about the US economic crisis, and the dramatic action taken by the Fed this week following massive slumps in global share prices.

Mr Soros made around $1bn in 1992 when he bet that the pound would fall as the Government clung to membership of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism.

He warned this week that the crisis facing the world's financial markets is the worst in 60 years, likely to cause a major realignment in the world economy, as emerging nations such as China and India gain more clout.




...for those who may recall, back in 2005 at Davos, and about 6 months before China divorced itself from the dollar peg (which had been in place since 1994), here's what was said by the Chinese 3 years ago about the dollar...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The US dollar is no longer … in our opinion [seen] as a stable currency, and is devaluating all the time, and that's putting troubles all the time. So the real issue is how to change the regime from a US dollar pegging ... to a more manageable reference, say euros, yen, dollars — those kind of more diversified systems.

— Fan Gang, director of the National Economic Research Institute, China Reform Foundation, quoted at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, January 26, 2005


...Soros is right, the decline of the dollar will move the world towards a multipolar world order, with 3 major poles of power.
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