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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby roccman » Sat 01 Dec 2007, 18:15:00

"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby roccman » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 13:10:07

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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby virgincrude » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 13:13:44

I caught up with this late, but still worth reading now:

LEAP/E2020 now estimates that at least one large US financial institution (bank, insurance, investment fund) will file for bankruptcy before February 2008, sparking off bankruptcies among a series of other financial institutions and banks in Europe (in the UK especially), in Asia and in various emerging countries. According to an expression by Blackstone president Tony James's (1), a financial « black hole » was formed after the US subprime crisis.

The triggering factors for a major financial institution to go bankrupt are now so powerful and warning clues so numerous that, according to our researchers, the probability that it happens within three month now reaches 100%. Probabilities are as high that the US authorities will try to introduce a reimbursement protection-net in order to avoid panic from spreading throughout the entire US financial system (2); but the size of the bankruptcy will immediately hit the most exposed financial institutions operating in the US and in the rest of the world. Countries whose financial operators are the most linked to US financial operators will be on the frontline: United Kingdom, Japan, China in particular (3).

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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby roccman » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 22:43:16

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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby Twilight » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 14:43:38

They can cut the interest rate and banks still won't trust each other.
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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby evilgenius » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 07:03:58

Hell of a place to be for the Fed, really. If they allow the bad assets to realize at zero, like most should, then so much money will disappear that it will engender deflation. If they stop it with what they have at their disposal then it could cause runaway inflation. I'd be looking for the Fed to do what benefits the super wealthy. Well, to try and do what benefits the super wealthy. I'm not sure that the only way to benefit the super wealthy isn't just to buy them a little more time.

In the meanwhile I'd be looking for changes in any laws that prevent foreign ownership of key US assets, like financial institutions, infrastructure plays, commercial and private real estate, defense contractors, etc. The great foreign buyout will only forestall things for about a year or so. It will cripple Joe Public. It will decrease demand for oil certainly, how much is anybody's guess, however.

My guess is that if a currency is being prepared to supplant the US dollar as oil hegemon it is the Chinese yuan. Too many of the big wigs in and out of the neocon regime have cozy relationships with China, relationships that benefit from China rising and the US tapering down. There are faultlines that still exist between Old Europe and Britain, between Old Europe and the US. To a lesser extent between Briatin and the US. Those faultlines would be exacerbated if the Euro were to become the next oil hegemon. The yuan is safer viewed from that perspective. The biggest problem is keeping control of the changeover mechanisms. The Chinese can have the world if they will just let the rich Americans run it for them, otherwise the rich Americans will slip it from their grasp.
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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby roccman » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 10:47:42

Option One to close doors

Looks like H and R Block is the next shoe to drop.

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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby roccman » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 11:07:36

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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby roccman » Mon 31 Dec 2007, 15:52:18

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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby ColossalContrarian » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 09:25:19

Are we expecting any bank closures this Friday afternoon?
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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby roccman » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 11:15:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ColossalContrarian', 'A')re we expecting any bank closures this Friday afternoon?


Perhaps...

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ehman Brothers stock has massive option puts, especially at strikes that would only pay off if LEH completely imploded, with some even that expire in June, an identical situation to Bear Stearns just three months ago. Lehman Brothers is poised to be killed. The Credit Default Swap for Lehman Brothers corporate bonds has jumped from 130 at end April to 240 at end May and to 275 in early June. In 1Q2008, Lehman recently admitted a mere $200 million in losses from the oversized $6.5 billion portfolio of subprime securities on its balance sheet. Consider that a quarter of their total securities bear junk status. Lehman executive comments made public do not match reality. The time has come to punish, err, to impose proper value.


Or perhaps UBS...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')BS, the Union Bank of Switzerland, is a prime highlighted candidate for imminent failure and declared bankruptcy. The bank still is plagued by rather substantial continued debt exposure, despite heavy writedowns already. They have $45 billion in US mortgage assets, $8.6 billion in leverage financial commitments like Collateralized Debt Obligations, and $10.4 billion in US student loans. Rumors have swirled that Barclays of London is considering an acquisition of either Lehman Brothers or UBS. The US-UK tag team of banking fascists take their turns.



Got gold...??


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The New RTC would enable the USFed to have another Clydesdale horse pulling the GOLDEN beer wagon, one from the USGovt breed. That would constitute the mammoth monetary inflation.

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Re: Bank Closure Thread

Postby IndigoMoon » Fri 06 Jun 2008, 22:10:07

I apologize upfront if this thread is for just major banks.

Cleveland's National City, regulators agree on oversight for bank with bad-loan problems....

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Bank Closure Map, updates daily...

Postby Delphis » Thu 02 Oct 2008, 16:33:48

http://www.feedba.cc/live/banks.html Wonder why Wachovia is not listed...yet.
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Re: Bank Closure Map, updates daily...

Postby TheDude » Thu 02 Oct 2008, 16:50:38

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Re: Bank Closure Map, updates daily...

Postby GoghGoner » Thu 02 Oct 2008, 17:06:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'h')ttp://www.feedba.cc/live/banks.html

Wonder why Wachovia is not listed...yet.

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Wachovia is not and will not be categorized as a failed bank. FDIC Failed Bank List
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Re: Bank Closure Map, updates daily...

Postby Delphis » Thu 02 Oct 2008, 17:11:21

Do you have any idea why Gogh,

The "seizure" of WM seems quite similar to WB doesn't it?

Hmmm.
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Re: Bank Closure Map, updates daily...

Postby GoghGoner » Thu 02 Oct 2008, 19:23:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Delphis', 'D')o you have any idea why Gogh,

The "seizure" of WM seems quite similar to WB doesn't it?

Hmmm.


I guess Citigroup bought 'em before the feds stepped in. It was exactly the same to WM to me so .....

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')nlike Washington Mutual, which was taken over by Federal authorities last week and quickly purchased by JPMorgan Chase, the FDIC noted that Wachovia did not qualify as a failed bank.

Citigroup will acquire the banking operations of Wachovia for $2.2 billion in an all-stock deal announced Monday, following much speculation over the weekend about the fate of the nation's fourth-largest bank. The deal was worked out prior to any government intervention.
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Re: Bank Closure Map, updates daily...

Postby the48thronin » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 12:00:57

latest news is that Citibanks deal has not yet been done, and now wells fargo is also bidding to BUY... They all seem to think the bail out will pass and they will get a real boost from owning the bad debts...bought at fire sale prices!
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Re: Bank Closure Map, updates daily...

Postby Delphis » Fri 03 Oct 2008, 12:36:19

Yep,

Looks like $7 per share which is almost a 100% premium to the close yesterday!

Just like the BofA purchase of Merril at $19 per share, another huge premium!

This is a mess, and it looks like this bill is going to pass which just dilutes the problem further and stays off the inevitable...WOW!~
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