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Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby frankthetank » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 14:52:04

Maybe this is why all the Will Smith bashing lately?

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I believe the time period here is 2012, but "everyone" has been dead for 3 years now, so the gas prices are for 2009. Probably not far from reality?
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 15:54:29

Actors themselves, if they're good, have to be able to put themselves in someone else's shoes. This is a very rare trait in America, and actors and writers are about the only people capable of doing it. When they do, they're often demonized because 99.99% of Americans are not capable of comprehending the act of playing "devil's advocate" or or taking someone else's place.

Actors call this the Stanislavsky Method, it was invented in the 30s.

It could not be invented today, actors without these 1930s tools would be only capable of AmericaThink(tm) and make Ahnold look like a mastor of wit and subtlety.

Now, since writers and actors, the better ones, are capable of this, yeah, they're capable of looking at the PO situation and not taking years or a lifetime to digest it.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 17:01:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', '
')I believe the time period here is 2012, but "everyone" has been dead for 3 years now, so the gas prices are for 2009. Probably not far from reality?


That's what I was thinking when I saw it.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 17:27:42

Kurt Vonnegut in his book Galapagos, comes up with a virus that feeds on human egg cells, thus, worldwide sterility. That's the most humane method, and maybe if we're lucky someone in some lab is working on that.

Will Smith was in I, Robot and is a notorious techie. Maybe he's followed the technocopian trail where it leads, which is, Where the hell are we going to get all the energy needed for a Jetsons future from? Where do we get our energy NOW from? Oil, ok, research that... uh-oh.....

At least if he hates robots like his character does in I, Robot, he'll be relieved to see we're not headed for that future.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby Twilight » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 20:55:56

Is that Will Smith teeing off from the Intrepid? :lol:

I think that's as far from reality as it is possible to get. Right up there with the Independence Day aliens running Unix. I might still catch it though.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby da23 » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 22:15:03

hope this isn't against any rules but here's will smith anyway......


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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby Mechler » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 23:09:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', '
')I believe the time period here is 2012, but "everyone" has been dead for 3 years now, so the gas prices are for 2009. Probably not far from reality?


That's what I was thinking when I saw it.


There's another explanation that may be more plausible:

The epidemic leading up to the quarantine causes general panic. People try to flee the city. Gas stations jack up their prices in response to the panic and sudden demand.

Seems more likely to me that a screenwriter would think of that detail versus working in subtle PO messages.

BTW, very good movie - wish it were twice as long...
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 23:18:08

It turns out the book it's based on was written over 50 years ago, which backs up my theory that the original thinking peaked in the US about that long ago.

It was eerie back in my bookselling days, coming across a fairly complete Signet Science Library, a series of little paperbacks, that were published from right after WWII up into the late 50s. Most of the stuff talked about was stuff they're still talking about in Scientific American and on TV as being brand new.

And the best book about 'net culture and the eventual shutdown of the 'net is The Machine Stops, written in the late 1800s I think.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 29 Dec 2007, 00:11:45

That could be it. In a panic situation i'm sure the shelves would empty pretty fast along with people hoarding gasoline (increasing prices). Although this "mutation" seemed to happen pretty quick???(the bitten dog?)

Still neat to see in a big movie. The life he lives in 2012 by himself consists of hunting wild game in the city from the window of a Mustang and taking canned goods from apartments!
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby WildRose » Sat 29 Dec 2007, 01:54:10

The way it played in the movie, it appeared that not many people took their cars, so many cars were abandoned in the streets. That was eerie, all the scenes with the cars sitting where they were last parked (or abandoned) and the weeds coming up through the cracks in the roads. The birds still sang though.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby kam3Oen » Sat 29 Dec 2007, 11:56:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he way it played in the movie, it appeared that not many people took their cars, so many cars were abandoned in the streets.


All the bridges were destroyed and the city quarantined.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby mmasters » Sat 29 Dec 2007, 12:18:25

While everyone's distracted with the apocolyptic concept of 2012, mayan calendars and free-for-all doom, in 2012 the NWO will most likely be fully realized.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby WildRose » Sat 29 Dec 2007, 17:30:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kam3Oen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he way it played in the movie, it appeared that not many people took their cars, so many cars were abandoned in the streets.


All the bridges were destroyed and the city quarantined.


Yeah, it seemed like maybe the virus became airborne really quickly and the quarantine order came very quickly, so I doubt that there was a big window of opportunity for people to leave the city, except for a few who were smart, anticipated what might be coming and left a few days before the quarantine order. So that makes me think that the prices at the gas station were part of the screenplay, indeed a PO type projection of the increased value of gasoline.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby frankthetank » Sat 29 Dec 2007, 21:12:07

Subliminally putting it into the masses minds???
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby Stratovarius » Sat 29 Dec 2007, 22:06:43

Great movie. Somewhat underrated I think due to so many negative reviews.

I think it was only natural for the writers to put such a huge spike on that gasoline price sign since they shot down the bridges and anything going in or out of the city was heavily regulated. Naturally the supplies were very limited and several million people needed gas.

Although I'm still surprised that it didn't say something like 1.50-2.00/gallon.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby perdition79 » Sat 29 Dec 2007, 22:45:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('I_Like_Plants', 'A')nd the best book about 'net culture and the eventual shutdown of the 'net is The Machine Stops, written in the late 1800s I think.


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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 30 Dec 2007, 16:06:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'S')ubliminally putting it into the masses minds???


I don't know, or maybe the prices on the sign just reflect the screenwriter's (or author's) awareness of oil depletion issues and a guess about where the price might be.

I don't think that, for the story line in the movie's sake, the service stations would have jacked up the price of gasoline as a result of the quarantine order. If that were so (and people were desperate to get out of town), the line-ups at the station would have been a mile long, and cars would have been abandoned there, too. There were no line-ups where Will Smith's character filled up; that, to me, suggests that the population didn't even have hours to gather some belongings and head for the pumps before leaving town. Of course, just for the sake of the movie, he needed to have gasoline to survive for those 3 years, hunting deer from his SUV and making quick getaways, so they couldn't have cars in the way of the pumps.

I'd like to see the movie again, maybe I missed a couple of things.
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby Ang » Sun 30 Dec 2007, 17:15:41

Just saw the movie last night and I have a few questions.

1. How is it there was still electricity?
2. How were the zombies smart enough to lay a trap and use his friend, the mannequin, but not smart enough to track him down in three years?
3. If the bridges were blown up to keep people on the island, how did Anna drive away in his car at the end of the movie?

and finally

4. How did they keep the zombies out of the safe zone? (Oh wait a minute, maybe the big fence was electrified from the same random source?)

Inquiring minds want to know!!
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby Stratovarius » Sun 30 Dec 2007, 18:26:50

Good questions ang.

1. Dunno, perhaps the the dude had his own generator?
2. I asked this and honestly this was the only part of the movie where I lost that nice trance-like state when I'm watching a good movie and I go, "Oh yeah, I'm watching a movie." I think it was just a hollywood filler unfortunately.
3. Maybe she used a ferry.
4. What safe zone?
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Re: Hollywood gets it?

Unread postby Ang » Sun 30 Dec 2007, 19:16:07

I thought I saw generators somewhere...wouldn't those make a lot of racket for the zombies to hear?

I thought about the ferry!!

You know, the Jeffersonian utopia at the end, in Vermont. It was a pretty huge area to defend. Maybe the smell of the maples masked the scent of all that zombie kibble!!
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