I voted neither, but I am not sure how true it is.
Freedom is a hard thing to pin down. Sure, we have freedom of speach, but are we really free to do what we choose to do? And does our government really have any power over that, or is it our society that decides that?
I am proud of many of the things my country has done, but I am ashamed of the things my country is doing.
I love the land. Not sure if I am fond of the people.
Don't ask me. I just work here. You want fries with that?
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US: pride or love?
Re: US: pride or love?
by Pixie » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 20:19:52
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Re: US: pride or love?
by Pixie » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 20:32:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'H')ere is what I feel about America: Sadness. Regret. Loss. Embarrassment. Outrage.
That pack of mercenary jackals on Capitol Hill and in the White House should be drawn and quartered. They are traitors, almost to the last man and woman.
The American experiment had its moment but now has failed. .
That pack of mercenary jackals on Capitol Hill and in the White House should be drawn and quartered. They are traitors, almost to the last man and woman.
The American experiment had its moment but now has failed. .
That pack of jackals you mention has been reelected and reelected and reelected time and time again. If you feel our leaders are traitors, then our people must be idiots. It reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where both presidential candidates are taken over by aliens, and Homer reveals it on national TV, and then both aliens declare, "But you have to vote for one of us; it's a two party system!" So everyone goes through with the election, and they all get shipped off to slavery in the mines, and everyone says, "Don't blame me--I voted for the other guy!"
No, definitely not proud anymore. We've duped ourselves for years and years, mostly because of our pride. It is just so hard to believe that we, the USA, could possibly not be in the right, or even that we might not be the best in something (or anything.)
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Re: US: pride or love?
by Heineken » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 00:42:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pixie', 'I') am proud of many of the things my country has done, but I am ashamed of the things my country is doing.
I think that the bulk of the country's history is shameful. Notable exceptions are some aspects of its involvement in WWI and WWII.
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Re: US: pride or love?
by Pixie » Fri 28 Dec 2007, 01:15:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pixie', 'I') am proud of many of the things my country has done, but I am ashamed of the things my country is doing.
I think that the bulk of the country's history is shameful. Notable exceptions are some aspects of its involvement in WWI and WWII.
Proud of some things we have done.
Definitely not proud of tbroken Indian treaties, witch trials, slavery, race relations since the civil war other than the civil rights movement... Not proud of Vietnam, Iraq 1 or 2, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Iran-Contra, nuclear weapons, non participation in Kyoto or Bali, Israel...
Yeah, all told, I guess World War 1 and 2 and the Marshall Plan are about the only high points that I can think of at the moment. The rest is just really good propaganda.
I am proud of some recent developments, such as civil unions and domestic partnerships. I am proud of my state for that reason, and I love the people I know who have fought for these things, against incredibly spiteful opposition, but most of the country is still relatively backward in those areas.
I have voted in every national election of my adult life, but you know, at this point, I just no longer believe it makes any difference. GWB is just more obviously evil because he is less intelligent. What if the smarter candidates are just better at hiding their evil?
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