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BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 10:36:21

More destabilization of greater Mideast region likely. link. I have a feeling Bush was behind her presence there. Since Musharaff had been increasingly straying from his wishes.
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Pakistani opposition leader Bhutto killed in suicide bombing

Unread postby Cid_Yama » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 10:52:27

Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide bombing that also killed at least 20 others at a campaign rally, a party aide and a military official said.

"At 6:16 p.m. she expired," said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of Bhutto's party who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital where she was taken after the attack.

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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby PeakingAroundtheCorner » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 11:03:18

Not good. She was beloved by half of Pakistanis and hated by the other half.

It's about to get very interesting over there. Nevermind the nukes.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby mekrob » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 11:10:01

Oh shit. My popcorn's not ready.
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Ok. I'm good now.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby idomar » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 11:22:10

tinfoil hat on - check!

Iran and/or Afghanistan will be linked to the killing, it wasn't Musharaff, no way, no sir, wasn't him or his orders.

Civil war ensues first, threat of nukes leads to India to go to DEFCON 5 massive mobilisation of troops all over middle east.

oil price, bah! as long as i dont get too toasty, say 1,000,000 degrees i wont mind how much oil costs.

remove tinfoil hat, phew that hurt
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Re: Pakistani opposition leader Bhutto killed in suicide bom

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 11:33:44

She was very courageous to return and work to turn Pakistan around. She knew the danger she faced.

This is a terrible shame.

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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby Bas » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 11:37:21

shocking.... This doesn't look good on Musharraf, but it might well have been an extremist attack....
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Re: Pakistani opposition leader Bhutto killed in suicide bom

Unread postby shakespear1 » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 11:42:23

Can someone that REALLY understands Pakistani politics please explain why this leader returned. She was accused of corruption ( I'm sure they all are) and exiled for such a long time AND YET she managed to enter the country?

Who was behind her return? Whoever it is , is not as powerful as the people who did away with her.

Ominous signal for sure :-)
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby Slowpoke » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 11:42:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 's')hocking.... This doesn't look good on Musharraf, but it might well have been an extremist attack....


It's possible; I'm not sure, he's that hardcore. It could be that somebody really wanted him to look bad in the eyes of the world (and a large part of his own people).

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Assassination of Benazir Bhutto

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 11:44:35

CNN is carrying it live here in Athens.

May Allah have mercy on Ms. Bhutto's soul. :cry:
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Re: Pakistani opposition leader Bhutto killed in suicide bom

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 11:55:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shakespear1', 'C')an someone that REALLY understands Pakistani politics please explain why this leader returned.


NEWSWEEK: 'Where the Jihad Lives Now', Oct. 29, 2007

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ron Moreau and Michael Hirsh', 'B')enazir Bhutto was worried she would not survive the day. It was, for her, to be a moment of joyous return after eight years of exile, but also an hour of great peril. Just before she left Dubai for Pakistan on Thursday, Oct. 18, Bhutto directed that a letter be hand-delivered to Pervez Musharraf, the embattled Pakistani autocrat with whom she had negotiated a tenuous political alliance. If anything happens to me, please investigate the following individuals in your government, she wrote, according to an account given to NEWSWEEK by her husband, Asif Ali Zardari. Bhutto, Pakistan's former prime minister, then proceeded to name several senior security officials she considered to be enemies, Zardari said. Principal among those she identified, according to another supporter who works for her Pakistan People's Party, was Ejaz Shah, the head of Pakistan's shadowy Intelligence Bureau, which runs domestic surveillance in somewhat the way M.I.5 does in Britain. Shah, a longtime associate of Musharraf's, is believed by Bhutto supporters to have Islamist sympathies. And Bhutto had boldly challenged Pakistan's Muslim extremists, declaring before her arrival that "the terrorists are trying to take over my country, and we have to stop them."

Bhutto was certainly prescient about the threat. On Thursday, as her motorcade inched along a parade route guarded by roughly 20,000 Pakistani security forces, one or more suicide bombers set off twin explosions that killed at least 134 bystanders and police, and injured 450 others. The bombs narrowly missed Bhutto, who had ducked into her armored truck minutes before. Shaken but uninjured, she was rushed to safety. Musharraf's government quickly fingered Baitullah Mehsud, a longtime Taliban supporter and director of some of the most lethal training facilities for suicide bombers in the far-off mountains of Waziristan. Mehsud had reportedly threatened Bhutto. She and her husband, however, pointed much closer to home. "We do not buy that it was Mehsud," Zardari told NEWSWEEK. There was no immediate evidence that Shah was connected to the bombing. At a news conference the next day, though, Bhutto noted that the streetlights had mysteriously been turned off on her parade route and said: "I am not accusing the government. I am accusing people, certain individuals who abuse their positions. Who abuse their powers."

Whoever the real culprits turn out to be, the truth is that Pakistan's government has only itself to blame for the carnage in Karachi. Pakistani leaders created the Islamist monster that now operates with near impunity throughout the country...


This recent Newsweek article is an historical overview relevant to today's assasination.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby Pablo2079 » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 12:14:39

It has been reported that Al Qaida was behind this attack. I suppose anyone can call into a media outlet and claim that sort of thing though.....
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby kokoda » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 12:40:25

Who didn't see that coming?

I wonder if anyone will be claiming responsibility for this.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby Bas » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 12:45:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', 'W')ho didn't see that coming?

I wonder if anyone will be claiming responsibility for this.


you could have seen it coming if you were aware of the inadequate security surrounding her public rallies.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 13:03:11

She certainly had courage, which is always admirable in its own right.

However, it must be pointed out that many Pakistanis loathed her. Her previous reign as prime minister was viewed by many as more of a harsh dictatorship.

To me it's obvious that Bush encouraged her to go there to take the reigns from Musharraf, or at least to weaken him. She had Bush's tacit backing and perhaps CIA backing.

That's what the US does to former chums that no longer dance to the prescribed tune. Either that or violently overthrow them or kill them.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby highlander » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 13:06:58

Will Musharraf last a week? I think so. He gets on the news, says "I told you so" (regarding last weeks crackdown) and re-instated martial law. What the US wants is becoming irrelevant.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby virgincrude » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 13:25:58

You could have seen it coming if you were in Pakistan, or were close to any Pak nationals: this was written on the wall (and she knew it) and although she felt Musharraf would authorise it, I believe it was planned all along by her main sponsors: Washington.

They urged Mush to declare the fake 'emergency' and drop the corruption charges against her so she could return without being arrested on the spot. The only barrier was the judiciary, and Mush took care of them with the arrest early in the year of the Chief Justice, who was undoubtedly going to declare Mush's bid for democratically elected power to be illegal.

Bhutto was more popular in the West than in Pakistan, besides her text-book Oxford English, she only spoke one of the 5 or so national dialects- totally out of touch with the masses, and the corruption charges would have been successfull, and she would have been thrown (quite rightly) in jail. Recently, in so called pre-election negotiations she was insisting the judiciary should not be reinstated before the elections, and a new judiciary should be named by the election winners. This would have ensured she be free from the threat of legal proceedings.

However, by dying, she has inadvertently become a major icon and people who may never have thought of voting for her party, will consider it now, purely as an act of vengeance against Mush, who is hated for his pandying to Washington. Whoever committed this disgusting act (why blow up so many people, was it not enough to assassinate her and turn the gun on himself?) is not important right now, it was however, easily predictable and it's hard to understand the motives behind Bhutto's return- except for her greed for money and power- things which go hand in hand in Pakistan.

It is unlikely the 8th Jan elections will go ahead now, as parties will need more time to recoup, something which works against the present ruling party, who need swift actions before people have time to ponder on this. The longer the delay, the less likely they will be re-elected. All over Pakistan, people will vote out their regional heads, all appointed by Mush, apparently people in Peshawar were so incensed when they heard of Bhutto's assassination, their anger frightened the police away- there is no stomach for civil war.

I am certain that if I (and Bhutto herself) could see this coming, then Washington also had a pretty clear idea of how things would pan out, and as the major sponsors for her return (they didn't give a shit about Sharif, who was the legitimately elected leader Mush kicked out remember, it was the Saudi's who chaperoned HIS return ....) they obviously were planning a destabilisation of the country by moving their pawns- Mush and Bhutto. Mush would not have wanted this, they are braying for his blood in the streets now, MUSH=DOG one of the worst insults in Islam. His days are numbered, he's either off to Washington for talks and a soothing cup of tea and exile offer, or his head's in the noose before cricket season.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby Twilight » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 13:34:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 's')hocking.... This doesn't look good on Musharraf, but it might well have been an extremist attack....

That's why it was an extremist attack. If Musharraf looks like he is in deep shit over this, that's because he is. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose by destabilising his own country. The fundamentalist elements on the other hand have everything to play for. They need chaos. They just scored a point.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 13:58:27

Al Qaida has claimed responsibility for the attack

Al Qaida claims responsibility

It has some hallmarks of an Al Qaida attack..... it was a suicide bomber, and there was a coordinated attack on two targets (another bomber targetted the other Pak opposition candidate at about the same time), and it the assassination clearly tends to destabilize Pakistan and any moves toward democracy, as well as removing the major woman democrat in Pakistan.
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Re: BHUTTO ASSASSINATED!

Unread postby Carlhole » Thu 27 Dec 2007, 14:45:57

The Bhutto assassination will be very good for Rudy Guiliani, John McCain and Hillary Clinton and very bad for Barak Obama and Ron Paul.

Kind of neutral for others on either side of the aisle.

Anything like this tends to bolster neocon principles especially since Pakistan is a nuclear country.

So I don't think Ron Paul's idea of dismantling the military-industrial comlex is going to profit very much by this whole thing - especially with the primaries coming right up. The candidates will be talking more about Pakistan, The War on Terror and Al-Quaeda than they will about Abortion, Gay Marriage or National Health Care.
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