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Re: Flying Dreams

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 16 Sep 2007, 15:53:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('greenworm', '
')Um, have you had flying dreams is the topic not the bloody beatles and not the hoochy in the swimsuit. Anyone dare take a guess as to why this is such a prevalent dream? Anyone?
I don't know about the hoochy in the swim suit but I believe she has something to do with what flying dreams are about. Sure. And definitely so does this song about flying.
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Nightmare

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 23:14:50

I don't usually spend much time on this section, but last night something happened and it made me decide to mention it somewhere where there might be a few who understood it.

I had a nightmare last night. I woke up in the middle of the night in a terrible fright and it was as vivid as any I've ever had. I was driving along in a VW beetle with my 11 yr old daughter and everything was good. I looked at the instruments and noticed it was time to gas up. We pulled in to the first station we saw and gas was $8.00/ gallon for regular. I asked the attendant what was up with the price and he said to me, "what's the matter with you? Don't you read the papers? The country's out of gas everywhere!" I quickly put in 10 gallons, paid the guy, and drove off.

Almost immediately I saw another gas station along the road with the posted price of $15.00/ gallon. I pulled in there and decided to get as much cash from my debit card as I could and buy food with it because bread was $50.00 a loaf and I decided I better get as much food as I could because it would soon run out. Well, the cash machine wouldn't give any cash. I was out of $$. I quickly drove off and turned to my daughter and said, "remember what I've been saying for the past few years about oil and all that?" She replied, "yes." "Well", I told her, "that time is here now so we better get as far away from the city as we can before it's too late."

I then quickly sat up in bed and I was surprised to see my daughter standing in the room staring out the window into the night's darkness. I said hello to her and she replied that she just had a terrible nightmare, but couldn't remember the details.

That was so weird and shocking.
I still remember the details of mine including how helpless, frightened, and totally unable to care for us I felt.
Anyone else have horrible dreams about this looming disaster???
If there's another thread about PO dreams especially nightmares please merge. I didn't take time to scan all the threads.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby Carlhole » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 23:32:23

I had a weird dream last night too:
I was walking down these old ancient stone steps the twisted around like I was going down into the bowels of an old castle. Down, down,down I stepped.
And as I was walking down the steps, the passageway began to get narrower and darker. Down, down, down I went... and the cold walls grew more damp and narrow. But I kept going because I knew I would be lost anyway if I went back. So down I went further.
And then, it seemed I finally reached the bottom and stepped into an open room where the king was breast-feeding a very young, helpless version of my father. I felt really awkward and weird after that and woke up.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby Revi » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 23:40:32

Your recounting of your dream gave me the chills. I feel like we are on the verge of something like your nightmare soon. I have woken up from peak oil nightmares, and my wife can tell you that I've had them too.

I feel like nightmares are your subconcious trying to tell you something. Sometimes you have to heed them. They can be very detailed. I used to use a type of silkscreen emulsion that contained chromium. I had a dream where my body told me to quit using the stuff. I even dreamed the word Chromium. I didn't really know what the stuff was, but I did some research, and decided to quit using it. I think it was telling me in detail that enough was enough. I switched to a less toxic emulsion, and now I feel that I'm fine.

I am not really religious, but I believe that things are put in our lives for a reason. I don't know if I'm right, but it helps me to function if I feel that there is some reason for things.

Maybe your daughter is in the dream for a reason. Maybe this is telling you to prepare for her sake. I don't know.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 02 Dec 2007, 23:59:10

Yeah Revi. You don't know the half of it.... especially when I woke up and there she was standing there in front of the dark, rain-wet window frightened from her own unknown nightmare.

This was the first specifically PO- related dream I've had and I imagine there will be more arriving. As I was making coffee this morning getting ready to read the paper I thought maybe I should pre- load up a few AK mags. What a silly thing to think about on a Sunday morning. Those mags have been sitting in a box untouched for 15 years and they never cross my mind.

I really have no intention of aiming a weapon at people anymore, but that dream has me thinking of preparation for the moment I have to tell her the bad day has arrived.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby americandream » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 00:10:30

Life is but a dream and all is impermanent.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby Lighthouse » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 00:47:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I') don't usually spend much time on this section, but last night something happened and it made me decide to mention it somewhere where there might be a few who understood it.

I had a nightmare last night. I woke up in the middle of the night in a terrible fright and it was as vivid as any I've ever had. I was driving along in a VW beetle with my 11 yr old daughter and everything was good. I looked at the instruments and noticed it was time to gas up. We pulled in to the first station we saw and gas was $8.00/ gallon for regular. I asked the attendant what was up with the price and he said to me, "what's the matter with you? Don't you read the papers? The country's out of gas everywhere!" I quickly put in 10 gallons, paid the guy, and drove off.

Almost immediately I saw another gas station along the road with the posted price of $15.00/ gallon. I pulled in there and decided to get as much cash from my debit card as I could and buy food with it because bread was $50.00 a loaf and I decided I better get as much food as I could because it would soon run out. Well, the cash machine wouldn't give any cash. I was out of $$. I quickly drove off and turned to my daughter and said, "remember what I've been saying for the past few years about oil and all that?" She replied, "yes." "Well", I told her, "that time is here now so we better get as far away from the city as we can before it's too late."

I then quickly sat up in bed and I was surprised to see my daughter standing in the room staring out the window into the night's darkness. I said hello to her and she replied that she just had a terrible nightmare, but couldn't remember the details.

That was so weird and shocking.

I still remember the details of mine including how helpless, frightened, and totally unable to care for us I felt.

Anyone else have horrible dreams about this looming disaster???

If there's another thread about PO dreams especially nightmares please merge. I didn't take time to scan all the threads.



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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby Paranoid_Android » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 02:22:22

Seeing this reminded me of a peakoil dream I had not too long ago.
I was driving around town in a black sports car of some sort (I think it might have been a Viper). But I was just racing all around town, not caring about the speed limit at all. Then I got to an intersection in front of a gas station, the price for gas was like 5 dollars. I remember I looked at the sign and just laughed and proceeded to speed away. I then woke up.

I have no idea what that dream was about. All I can figure was that in my dream things had gotten to the point where I must have decided to be a hooligan and stole a sports car. I'm also guessing that I laughed at the gas cause I realized in the dream that once I was done joy-riding I'd dump the car, so no need to worry about gas.

That or I won a large amount of money and stopped caring.
I honestly don't know 8O .
I suppose I'd prefer this type of dream to that of the OP. Theirs was too scary for me :( .
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 03:12:41

The dreams that I have had recently are slightly more abstract in their connection to Po. Sleeping today I dreamed that I had to move the family, yet I was teh only one working and everything had to be packed into the VW Golf.
"Is the canned food too heavy?" I thought.
What must be left behind?
Can I tie something on top of the matress which was on top of the car?

My wife is content enough to let me "pack for the big move" (to keep the language of the metaphor) but she is not on board enough to help. Everything feels very heavy. There are a lot of decisions to be made since I, at least, cannot make all of the preparations that I would like. If I can reasonably assume that I will be able to do or acquire later, I do not do or acquire it now.
The future, however, is unknown. I am guessing. And in the guessing there is the stress and with the stress comes the nightmares.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby steam_cannon » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 05:28:43

That's an interesting dream and it wouldn't take much for that to be reality. But at least you have your priorities straight and you know your options.

Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 05:47:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I') still remember the details of mine including how helpless, frightened, and totally unable to care for us I felt.
Anyone else have horrible dreams about this looming disaster???

Usually I have rather pleasant dreems.
On the other hand it is very often that I think about something quite abstract and then completely out of blue my wife is starting to talk about it, even if that is completely unprovoked.
It can also work the other way around.
With my mother it also happens but not so often.
With my children practically never.
So perhaps a nightmares which you and your daughter had were also synchronized somehow?
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby eastbay » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 12:03:05

Well, we've made several huge steps along the path toward preparation. But there's so much more to do, as we all know. I really shudder to think of this thing hitting us where we last lived. That would be impossible to survive.

Plus, the message is that this could hit quite suddenly and even we current events followers could be blind sided no matter how much we prepare.

Dreams can tell us plenty. Usually I tend to pay little attention to them, and by breakfast time they've faded away. But in this case I'm reminded of my incredible bond with my daughter, the urgency of the need to do more to prepare, and the suddenness with which the disaster may strike. Plus, I wanted to write down the details so I wouldn't forget.

Maybe I'll try to pay greater attention to the more vivid dreams in the future.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby FoolYap » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 13:10:39

Huh. I'm not a believer in the paranormal (such as visions of the future), but last night I had a rather vague dream about Peak Oil as well. I don't remember much of it other than seeing this incredible wall of rolling black clouds on the horizon, and realizing in the dream that it was metaphor for Peak Oil, and it was going to hit very soon and I was not prepared for it. I remember thinking about all the preparations I'd wanted to make, and now didn't have time for, and trying to figure out on the spot what I was going to do about it. I woke up with a sense of real unease.

OTOH, I read this site a lot, so I'm not too surprised when I have a dream like that. :P

Given the hundreds or thousands who read this site every day, it's probably not too unusual that more than one of us has dreams about that subject on any given night.

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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby CarlinsDarlin » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 13:21:36

I agree with Revi. Many dreams are there for a reason. Maybe to deal with stress you're facing, or maybe to show you something your conscious mind can't wrap itself around. Dreams for me often have a meaning - sometimes not the obvious, but often a meaning that will be clear after I think about it a minute.

I can't say that I have had any specifically PO-related nightmares, but just in the last week I had a dream that I was out in the middle of a dirt road crossroads (there's a metaphor for ya) and a wagon pulled by a team of mules went by. That's not a biggie here, since it's not uncommon to see horsedrawn wagons for pleasure riding. But when I woke up, I remember thinking that sight will probably be more common as time goes on.

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My father and I shared that sort of link. Actually, it sort of runs in the family. We often know things before they happen, and occasionally share dreams and thoughts. Most of the time the "knowing beforehand" comes in the way of an uneasy gut feeling (because it's almost always bad news, not good news), but occasionally it's something very clear and definite.

I knew my grandfather was dead before anyone told me. I knew my father would be passing away well before he started getting sick. My aunt passed away, and although we were not very close, I completely broke down and was devastated. At that moment, I started planning my move back home (which we managed in 5 months time). I called my mom and told her I didn't know how, but we were coming, because I knew my dad would be next, and I knew I would be needed. Thankfully Carlin understood (he knows sometimes not to question me when I "know" things). My dad passed away a little more than a year after we moved home.

During the same year, my sister was in a very bad car accident. It was another time I ended up being needed that I had no way of foreseeing. There were 5 people in the car, and she was the only survivor. My sister spent 2 weeks in intensive care. My husband and I cared for her children during that time - something we would not have been able to do had we not moved back home.

While my sister was in the hospital, my dad told me he knew she'd be involved in a major car accident with fatalities from the first day he ever watched her pull out of the driveway in her car. He wasn't worried about her, though, because he said he knew she would be okay. It was the other person/persons who would be killed.

Some days it's a gift. Others, it's a curse. But the link is definitely real. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 16:02:17

Last night I began to fall asleep on the couch early in the evening. We were having a power outage. I started getting a lot of hypnagogic imagery, with my eyes closed. These aren't standard dreams or typical figments of imagination. I remember thinking the collective unconscious was experiencing great agitation and tremendous fever pitch actitivity. --Lots of silly symphony type cartoons morphing into surreal Daliesque imagery. Weird, meaningless, but very very active.

I'm not surprised you are having these kinds of dreams, Eastbay. There are jumpy perturbations in the ether.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby eXpat » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 16:30:09

I'm joining the dream crowd as well :) last saturday I had a dream, that i was at work, it was around 4 pm and dark already, I was having a very busy day when suddently, blackout!, I got outside the building somehow, and when i finaly got out, the hole city (Edinburgh) was without electricity. All I was thinking all the time was shit! i'm not prepared yet!...
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby bobaloo » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 17:31:27

Here's my favorite one...

A group of people dressed in furs and buckskin are walking across a large valley full of tall grass and trees. The leader trips over something, looks down and says "Look, it's an old sidewalk. Let's stop and dig here, the old people always stacked obsidian and agates next to the sidewalks, they make great points."

I did have one the other night where someone was coming after me and I was searching all over the house and couldn't find any ammo, that one really cracked up the wife and kids :lol:
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby RedStateGreen » Mon 03 Dec 2007, 17:47:33

I have dreams that come true. The most serious one was when I dreamed a coworker had an aneurysm the night before he actually did. :(

A couple of weeks ago I dreamed I was in an orchard and I was frantically trying to collect all the fruit but I had nothing to collect it in and then I realized there was more than enough. :)
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby TheDude » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 01:20:19

I rarely remember anything about my dreams, or feel conscious while they're going on - I think it's from listening to music all the time, which I can do internally as well, i.e., even when there's nothing playing on a stereo.

Carlhole (or anyone else for that matter) - if you want to read a reallly creepy story about walking down stairs, check out Descending by Tom Disch. Classic bit of horror fiction.
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Re: Nightmare

Unread postby FreakOil » Tue 04 Dec 2007, 08:03:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'I') don't usually spend much time on this section, but last night something happened and it made me decide to mention it somewhere where there might be a few who understood it.

I had a nightmare last night. I woke up in the middle of the night in a terrible fright and it was as vivid as any I've ever had. I was driving along in a VW beetle with my 11 yr old daughter and everything was good. I looked at the instruments and noticed it was time to gas up. We pulled in to the first station we saw and gas was $8.00/ gallon for regular. I asked the attendant what was up with the price and he said to me, "what's the matter with you? Don't you read the papers? The country's out of gas everywhere!" I quickly put in 10 gallons, paid the guy, and drove off.

Almost immediately I saw another gas station along the road with the posted price of $15.00/ gallon. I pulled in there and decided to get as much cash from my debit card as I could and buy food with it because bread was $50.00 a loaf and I decided I better get as much food as I could because it would soon run out. Well, the cash machine wouldn't give any cash. I was out of $$. I quickly drove off and turned to my daughter and said, "remember what I've been saying for the past few years about oil and all that?" She replied, "yes." "Well", I told her, "that time is here now so we better get as far away from the city as we can before it's too late."

I then quickly sat up in bed and I was surprised to see my daughter standing in the room staring out the window into the night's darkness. I said hello to her and she replied that she just had a terrible nightmare, but couldn't remember the details.

That was so weird and shocking.

I still remember the details of mine including how helpless, frightened, and totally unable to care for us I felt.

Anyone else have horrible dreams about this looming disaster???

If there's another thread about PO dreams especially nightmares please merge. I didn't take time to scan all the threads.


I read an interesting theory about dreams from the European Therapy Studies Institute. I cannot say with any certainty that this theory is correct, but it helped me overcome a minor bout with "depression" and oversleeping I had a while back. (I opted NOT to be diagnosed with depression as if I had a disease and take loads of Prozac.) Anyway, here's a synopsis:

Ruminating on unpleasant subjects (Peak Oil) causes us to worry, and we become aroused, negatively, believing that something bad is going to happen. Yet we can't or don't do anything about it, so we go to sleep with unresolved emotions. Dreams are a way of closing that emotional "loop."

The mind creates scenarios where something is happening, something bad in the case of nightmares. Those scenarios are created through sights, sounds and smells that we've stored in our memory, even sights and sounds that we've only imagined. We then "act" our way through the dream, doing something to close the emotional loop.

We are not always successful. Sometimes the nightmare wakes us up. Other times, sleep drags on while you try to "act through" the scenario in your dreams, while never actually finishing the task, so to speak. In those cases, you never actually close the emotional loop. You carry the negative emotion through the next day, the next night, the next day, etc. This is the beginning of anxiety - emotional stress that never goes away.

I also believe that it may be impossible to dream through some scenarios because you are emotionally aroused by something unresolvable, an ontological problem like death, for example.

I used this knowledge to improve my psychological well being. I got into the habit of never thinking about a problem without doing something to deal with that problem before I go to bed. Peak Oil is on my mind in a major way, just like the rest of you. Before I go to bed, I do something really simple like think about my financial plan and how well I'm saving - or how I could save better - just to keep things positive and stay active, rather than let Peak Oil get the best of me psychologically.

One poster earlier suggested that you stop visiting Peakoil.com. I think that would be a mistake. Do not give into escapism. I think the only way to really rid yourself of anxiety - and bad dreams - is to tackle the problem head on, do something positive to prep every day. Do not stop visiting this site. Stay engaged. Perhaps you should check out the preps section to read what positive things people are doing to prepare for the storm.

Also, it might help to remember that Peak Oil does not mean that you will die off. This is not an unresolvable problem, at least not for you personally. And the good things in life don't depend on oil supplies. Love, friendship, family - this is what matters. Keep it together for your daughter's sake.

And don't stop prepping!

(Note: I'm sorry if I sound "preachy" in this post. I'm actually far behind on my preps.)
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