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**Alert** 1/5 (9%) of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion

Unread postby Evltre » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 05:49:41

wow - that's major! Looks like oil will be making back those $$ pretty quickly!
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Re: **Alert** 1/5 (9%) of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion

Unread postby KevO » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 06:01:51

on the BBC
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')ipelines from Canada carry about 1.9 million barrels of oil per day.

The closure has halted about 20% of US oil imports and US crude prices rose $1.65 to $92.27 a barrel.

The incident has reversed some of the recent price falls caused by the smaller than expected drop in US oil stockpiles.

"My initial impression is that (this) will put a halt to the slide in oil prices and put us back on the march towards $100 a barrel," said Mark Pervan, senior commodities analyst at ANZ.

"The timing is pretty bad. We are coming to the strongest demand period for crude with the approach of the northern winter."

Canada is the biggest supplier of foreign crude oil to the US and nearly all of it is delivered along Enbridge's pipelines.



more at BBC article

Anyone else think this is too coincidental to be an accident?
Oil drops $8 and then suddenly there's a fire on the US main supply ?

I smell a rat. Thing is it is an Al Queda rat or a US Big Oil rat?

(yeah I know, what's the difference?)
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Re: **Alert** 1/5 (9%) of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion

Unread postby KevO » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 06:07:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', '[')b]**BREAKING NEWS**

1/5 (9%) of all US oil cut off after explosion!



Drifter, you need to change the header. A 1/5 is 20% not 9% regardless of what country you are in! :roll:

from the BBC article....
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he closure has halted about 20% of US oil imports
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby idomar » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 06:29:10

Does this mean that effectively the PRODUCTION of 2m barrels per day will need to be shut down too for as long as the pipeline is out of action?

I assume that there is a certain amount of storage capacity but is there enough to cope with this?

Will this force OPEC to say that they will cover the loss in production?

Interesting time ahead, feel kinda sorry for the families of the 2 guys that died though
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Re: **Alert** 1/5 (9%) of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion

Unread postby IslandCrow » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 06:37:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', 'D')rifter, you need to change the header. A 1/5 is 20% not 9% regardless of what country you are in!


There were two figures: 20% cut in imports and 9% cut in total oil supplies. Both figures are huge amounts :shock:

I am sure this will be a major shock even if some of the pipelines come back into use soon. My hope is that it will be enough of a shock to get people and companies to seriously work on energy conservation and powering down. But I also hope that it would not be too much of a shock that collapses the area's economy [I am not ready for a major crash yet.]
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby Barbara » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 06:43:37

It's 20% of oil from Canada but 9% of all US imports.
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 06:44:47

I'll be looking forward to reading the details of the investigation. To cause a fire that will burn for days and to knock out production for an undetermined amount of time... sounds like someone intended to do something rather than an accident.

Still nothing on CNN though?

wait and see I guess, wait and see
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby KevO » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 06:45:37

Boys and Girls.
Be you American or European. Get dressed and go fill everything you've got.

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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby KevO » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 06:51:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'I')t's 20% of oil from Canada but 9% of all US imports.
:roll:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he explosion about 3.0 miles southeast of its Clearbrook, Minnesota, terminal, shut down a line that carries an estimated 1.9 million barrels per day (bpd) of Canadian crude, equivalent to about 9 percent of total U.S. oil demand.


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Read it again. :roll:


I'm with ya honey but that still don't make 1/5, 20% :P :-D
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby KevO » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 06:53:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'I')t's 20% of oil from Canada but 9% of all US imports.
:roll:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he explosion about 3.0 miles southeast of its Clearbrook, Minnesota, terminal, shut down a line that carries an estimated 1.9 million barrels per day (bpd) of Canadian crude, equivalent to about 9 percent of total U.S. oil demand.


link

Read it again. :roll:


OK. So Al Queda have shut off 9 and 20% of US oil.
Is this a pre winter AlQ plan do we think?
I guess if it were we'd see more of the same and oil platform and refinery 'fires'.
Could be just a one off I suppose, the very day when oil fell an astonishing $8. Coincidences do occur.
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby idomar » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:00:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', '
')
Looks like those affected gasoline refineries might be sitting idle fairly soon, and who knows for how long. Not good news at all.


anyone know what happens if supply to a refinery stops or falls below some critical level?

I dont mean "there aint no more petrol", Can a refinery simply stop processing by hitting an 'off' switch or does it take time to bring it offline and then to restart it?

Anyone know howmany refineries will be affected by this, or what the cumulative total outage could be?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '
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agreed, but wait til this is all over the MSM, just spotty coverage at the moment, then watch the panic buying, take your deck chair to the local petrol station with some popcorn, maybe a coat if its cold and watch the fun.
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:04:17

And it is cold up here.

I'm guessing LP prices (a refinery by-product) will shoot through the roof also.

This will make things a little interesting.

Do you think we northerners can get more federal money now?
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby KevO » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:09:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idomar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '"')]

Boys and Girls.
Be you American or European. Get dressed and go fill everything you've got.


agreed, but wait til this is all over the MSM, just spotty coverage at the moment, then watch the panic buying, take your deck chair to the local petrol station with some popcorn, maybe a coat if its cold and watch the fun.


Even Matt Drudge (drudgereport) hasn't got it yet! tut tut
the UK stock market has though
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/default.stm
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:11:12

Image

here is a map of the various pipelines and their capacities.
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby KevO » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:23:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('idomar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '"')]

Boys and Girls.
Be you American or European. Get dressed and go fill everything you've got.


agreed, but wait til this is all over the MSM, just spotty coverage at the moment, then watch the panic buying, take your deck chair to the local petrol station with some popcorn, maybe a coat if its cold and watch the fun.


Even Matt Drudge (drudgereport) hasn't got it yet! tut tut
the UK stock market has though
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/default.stm


It's still not in Yahoo News top stories list. Figures. :roll:


Thing is it's 10.36am right now in the UK, 11.34am in Europe therefore it's still only 05.34 on the East Coast and 02.34 on the West so America is still asleep. I estimate the time to take the deck chair is in about 4 to 5 hours time. Europeans will take their panic cue from the US so our show will start about 5 or 6pm GMT ! :-D
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby mgtser » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:30:08

guys is she bullshiting or shes telling the truth
if she's telling the truth then its not that bad

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5337819.html
Denise Hamsher, a spokeswoman for Houston-based Enbridge Energy, confirmed late Wednesday that the workers who died were employed by the company. Their names were not immediately released.

The pipeline that leaked and four others were shut down, though it wasn't clear for how long, Hamsher said. Because oil is stored in company stations along the line and at refineries, the pipelines could be shuttered for several days without causing disruptions in oil supplies to the Midwest, she said.
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby MD » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:31:44

Well well....good morning!
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.

Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby idomar » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:32:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KevO', '
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Thing is it's 10.36am right now in the UK, 11.34am in Europe therefore it's still only 05.34 on the East Coast and 02.34 on the West so America is still asleep. I estimate the time to take the deck chair is in about 4 to 5 hours time. Europeans will take their panic cue from the US so our show will start about 5 or 6pm GMT ! :-D


LMAO!!

I can just see the emergency response departments in their meetings:

"John, John, get in here quick. We have an run on petrol stations, what the time to deck chair on this?"

:-D
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby KevO » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:34:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mgtser', 'g')uys is she bullshiting or shes telling the truth
if she's telling the truth then its not that bad

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5337819.html
Denise Hamsher, a spokeswoman for Houston-based Enbridge Energy, confirmed late Wednesday that the workers who died were employed by the company. Their names were not immediately released.

The pipeline that leaked and four others were shut down, though it wasn't clear for how long, Hamsher said. Because oil is stored in company stations along the line and at refineries, the pipelines could be shuttered for several days without causing disruptions in oil supplies to the Midwest, she said.



don't matter. panic buying will cause panic buying anyway.
The BBC article says,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he blaze near Enbridge's Clearbrook oil terminal in Minnesota killed two employees, with local officials saying it could burn for three days.


that's burn for three days, then there's the mending. This could be out for weeks. Take no chances. etc
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Re: **Alert** 9% of All US Oil Cut Off After Explosion!

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 29 Nov 2007, 07:59:01

The frequent viewers of PO.com are well aware that this particular part of the country is the very worst in terms of inventory condition right now.

Supplies of heating oil in this region are already way low. Unleaded is also way below the historical low inventory levels.

There are other pipelines that feed into this area from the gulf coast, so there will be some disruption, but at some point the system will adjust to compensate.

There are a lot of refineries around the Chicago area, plus one up in North Dakota that may take some flak from this.
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