[Lighthouse]

Don't take me wrong, I know oil is a finite resource and will peak, or has already and eventually will run out at some stage.

But is that really that bad? Reading the posts in this forum leave the impression that we are all so doomed. Most of us will die in the post peak period.

I refuse to follow this notion. I'm always sceptical if someone tells me there is no solution to a problem and therefore it does not make sense to look for one. I always amused by people telling me why something does not work. They usually can't tell what would work. I know it is much easier that way. No need to work on a solution ...

First question: Is there a problem we experience now, which is directly related to peak oil?

(More questions will follow as this thread goes along....)

[Ludi]

Here we have again the basic misunderstanding.


Many of us here believe there are plenty of "solutions" to peak oil. The problem many of us see is that these solutions are not being implemented fast enough or on a large enough scale to really mitigate the problem.


Reference: The Hirsch Report

[RdSnt]

I appreciate that some people a working from a positive position, but Peak Oil represents something much worse than just an increasing limited supply of oil.
Don't get me wrong, there are solutions, just not for very many people.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'D')on't take me wrong, I know oil is a finite resource and will peak, or has already and eventually will run out at some stage.

But is that really that bad? Reading the posts in this forum leave the impression that we are all so doomed. Most of us will die in the post peak period.

I refuse to follow this notion. I'm always sceptical if someone tells me there is no solution to a problem and therefore it does not make sense to look for one. I always amused by people telling me why something does not work. They usually can't tell what would work. I know it is much easier that way. No need to work on a solution ...

First question: Is there a problem we experience now, which is directly related to peak oil?

(More questions will follow as this thread goes along....)

[WhatMeWorry]

Be prepared for Doomers on Parade, coming at you from every angle.

[Bas]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WhatMeWorry', 'B')e prepared for Doomers on Parade, coming at you from every angle.

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'F')irst question: Is there a problem we experience now, which is directly related to peak oil?

[Heineken]

Your thinking is too black-and-white, Lighthouse.

We aren't ALL doomed. Not even most hard-core doomers believe that.

Of course there are solutions---partial solutions. It's very unlikely the solutions will be inclusive enough or revolutionary enough to maintain the population at its current bloated level, living in its current bloated way. The population has reached its current level almost entirely as a result of the cheap-energy era, which is now clearly reaching its end.

The partial solutions we discuss all the time here, as on the Planning for the Future forum.

It is highly unlikely that there will ever again be an energy bonanza like the fossil-fuel one. Ever. It was a one-time deal. It's ending and the signs are all around us.

For many people---like truckers struggling to make ends meet---there are big problems NOW. Here in the US, the average living standard, long the envy of the world, is falling rather rapidly. But it's just the start. We're at the peak, not really into the downslope.

We peakers have been right all along, and not just about Peak Oil. That's what scares me.

[RdSnt]

Just wait till the Discovery channel does a special on Malthus. He's going to beat Nostradamus into the ground. I see a Doomer Death Match brewing

[Lighthouse]

I asked Is there a problem we experience now, which is directly related to peak oil?

And the answer is: no

???


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '.').. It's very unlikely the solutions will be inclusive enough or revolutionary enough to maintain the population at its current bloated level, living in its current bloated way...

[Colorado-Valley]

Well, I personally don't appreciate having to pay the extra $2,000 a year to the oil companies that depletion has cost me so far.

My feeling is that Exxon already has enough money.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'W')ell, I personally don't appreciate having to pay the extra $2,000 a year to the oil companies that depletion has cost me so far.

My feeling is that Exxon already has enough money.

[KillTheHumans]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'D')on't take me wrong, I know oil is a finite resource and will peak, or has already and eventually will run out at some stage.

But is that really that bad? Reading the posts in this forum leave the impression that we are all so doomed. Most of us will die in the post peak period.

[americandream]

Unfortunately, you fail to see the big picture Lighthouse and are judging narrow events rather than considering the big picture.

What is the big picture...we have a system founded on endless growth, premised on the notion that the planet's store of resources can also be utilised on an infinite basis simply by tweaking technology and finally, seen as the only panacea for the "ills" of steady state "cultures' now decreasingly evident across the planet, as the bulk of the population rushes to embrace this model.

At the very least, there is a wilful blindness amongst those of our leaders who fail to see the absurdity in this style of development/acculturisation.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Narz', 'I') keep wondering when undeniable effects will begin to descend makes me wonder whether we'll eventually hit a tipping point where things will start to happen very quickly or whether perhaps the decline will be slower than folks here want to admit.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'I') asked Is there a problem we experience now, which is directly related to peak oil?

And the answer is: no

???


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '.').. It's very unlikely the solutions will be inclusive enough or revolutionary enough to maintain the population at its current bloated level, living in its current bloated way...

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KillTheHumans', 'I')ts been YEARS since oil peaked. How have things been for you? For awhile I was counting on it at least cutting down traffic jams, but to date I've been disappointed.

[Colorado-Valley]

Lighthouse, you're probably one of the world's wealthy people, and so high energy prices don't bother you.

So I you're right; it's not a problem.

[Lighthouse]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I') think a falling standard of living in the US is a strong example of a problem NOW. Food and fuel and materials costs are soaring and many people are hurting. NOW.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', ' ')Is overpopulation really a peakoil problem?

35 years ago the world was about to turn to 4 bill humans, I was 10 years old, my teacher showed us photos and a 8mm film of african children with bloated bellies and told us that 40% of the world's population goes to bed hungry. That was so impressive that I could not sleep for weeks.

The world could not sustain the human population back then. Not much changed in the last 35 years. Except we now have the excuse of peakoil....

[roccman]

And my guess is climate change is far and away "the" issue and will become more of an issue as pollution created by PO is diminished and accelerated GW kicks in...think Permian Extinction Event.