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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 19:48:24

One of my recurring dream segments is of a giant tsunami coming in on the coast. Sometimes I avoid it and sometimes I don't. If I don't, I always wash up someplace, OK and safe. I think there is some analytic thought about this that it is time reversed and represents a coming out of the water, i.e. the birth trauma. I don't accept doctrine and rely on my intuition and experience to help me. If I don't personally feel truth then I don't give it any credence. Not that I deny anything, just don't attest. The first of my three dreams was about the castration complex. (I know, ugh! but hey, nobody said if you figured it out that it would be pretty) Interesting thing about this particular dream was that during the interpretive process (which I will admit was after studying Freud) I had recollections of long forgotten dreams where my dick fell off! Through the many years I've had a variant of this dream a few times (mostly when I was younger). It's unnerving and not pleasant. I agree with those who say its best to know than not know.
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 20:18:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'B')P, I was sorry to hear about your affliction. Good luck and keep your spirits up. Regarding your dream, hmmmm. Herr Doktor Freud wants to look into the Marilyn Monroe/Andy Warhol situation and the oedipus complex. . .

I have been listening to a live Velvet Underground album (2 CD set as .flac files) from Nov 2, 1966 a whole lot lately and then Andy's pic popped up when Philip Johnson died.

Plus if you read Famous for Fifteen Minutes by Ultra Violet she really blames Andy for Edie's downfall and speed addiction. Why would someone blame Andy on Edie's addiction if he wasn't her pusher?
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 20:21:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'B')P, I was sorry to hear about your affliction. Good luck and keep your spirits up. Regarding your dream, hmmmm. Herr Doktor Freud wants to look into the Marilyn Monroe/Andy Warhol situation and the oedipus complex. . .

I have been listening to a live Velvet Underground album (2 CD set as .flac files) from Nov 2, 1966 a whole lot lately and then Andy's pic popped up when Philip Johnson died.
Plus if you read Famous for Fifteen Minutes by Ultra Violet she really blames Andy for Edie's downfall and speed addiction. Why would someone blame Andy on Edie's addiction if he wasn't her pusher?

See how he always wore dark glasses and blamed it on weak eyes or something. Likely story.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 20:37:41

BP, these youngsters just don't know. Ever heard of Sun Ra (aka Sonny Blount). Creator of the greatest sound ever! Died about a decade ago at the age of 80. So-called free jazz but really in a category of his own. A true musical genius. I used to listened to the velvet underground in the 60's along with a lot of other amazing talents. Read a biography of Warhol once (not the one you mentioned) and my thought was yuck, wouldn't wanna know him, wouldn't wanna be him.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 22:46:05

A couple of thoughts before I watch a movie or two and go to bed: if you are 17 and you like Nelly or you are 27 and you like Tupac or you are 37 and you like guns and roses or you are 207 and you like the beatles, I would like to say that once napster came on the scene a few years ago and you could get anything at all of music since they started recording it without worrying about lawsuits that that was a golden age never to be repeated. I waited a long time knowing that it would eventually happen and when it did I got the best collection of music that ever tickled an auditory nerve. You folks who think its only happeneing in your own generation are sadly limited in your horizons.
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 22:50:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'Y')ou folks who think its only happeneing in your own generation are sadly limited in your horizons.

Yeah that's me, sadly limited, uncreative, boxed in.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 23:07:04

Get bold, dude, what do you have to lose? I mean musically of course.
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 23:08:42

I've been listening to this a lot lately too: link
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Unread postby threadbear » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 23:18:33

Okay Penultimate, Here's one for you. I'm house hunting in a really great neighbourhood, going into several different houses, with a realtor. This one house looks like something out of an Eischer print with several stories. I'm inside on the bottom floor, looking up. There are about 3 or 4 floors, or more, and all the walls are lined with books.

Now this is the weird part. I've had the identical dream every other night or early morning for 20 years, that I can remember. I hope it means something, because if it doesn't, my brain is sooooo stuck.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 31 Jan 2005, 23:22:19

Today's music is wonderful, just like yesterdays! :-D Damn, I like this new edit thing!
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 01 Feb 2005, 13:24:34

I'm not the expert, of course, but Herr Doktor Freud says that a house in a dream is a woman.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 01 Feb 2005, 13:56:21

BTW, this puts a new light on the work of painter Thomas Kincaid: from a psychoanalytic view he is essentially painting Mom. (on a different note, BP, I don't think the music of the 60's was the best even though it was the music of my youth. The old napster allowed us to check out everything and IMO the best was from after WWII up until the beginning of the rock'n'roll era.
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Tue 01 Feb 2005, 17:42:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'B')TW, this puts a new light on the work of painter Thomas Kincaid: from a psychoanalytic view he is essentially painting Mom. (on a different note, BP, I don't think the music of the 60's was the best even though it was the music of my youth. The old napster allowed us to check out everything and IMO the best was from after WWII up until the beginning of the rock'n'roll era.

You know the Velvet Underground basically flopped during the 60's and decades later the world caught up to them and started buying their stuff. They reformed for a single tour in the 90's because of high demand.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 01 Feb 2005, 17:58:40

I know, BP. I remeber when I was a kid and phoned in a request to a local radio station for something of theirs the jackasses wouldn't even play it.
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Tue 01 Feb 2005, 21:25:36

Well they did get some airplay: link
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Unread postby BabyPeanut » Wed 02 Feb 2005, 01:12:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')oday's music is wonderful, just like yesterdays! :-D Damn, I like this new edit thing!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]LOSE MY FREEDOM
Destiny's Child / Devo 3.15 (4.48Mb)
'New Wave', a horrible description that for me, conjures up images of tight trousers, skinny ties and very plastic looking pop promo's circa 1979/80. Love it...
So this is Destiny's Childs 'Lose My Breath' thrown at Devo's 'Freedom Of Choice'.
Listen carefully and you may catch the drum track from the Killers (u-mix) version of 'Somebody Told Me' and the intro from XTC's 'Helicopter' fleshing out the chorus'.
Gotta love yer 'off beat' hi-hats...
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 02 Feb 2005, 01:54:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'O')kay Penultimate, Here's one for you. I'm house hunting in a really great neighbourhood, going into several different houses, with a realtor. This one house looks like something out of an Eischer print with several stories. I'm inside on the bottom floor, looking up. There are about 3 or 4 floors, or more, and all the walls are lined with books.

Now this is the weird part. I've had the identical dream every other night or early morning for 20 years, that I can remember. I hope it means something, because if it doesn't, my brain is sooooo stuck.
The same dream over and over for twenty years, that's mind blowing! Does it bother you to have it? Do you go to sleep thinking, damn I'm gonna have that dream again? My dreams are usually different. I notice there is often a subtle emotional component. Its part of helping to unravel the meanings. I'm convinced that its possible to do that in a non-arbitrary way. Perhaps if you were to get some help by reading the Interpretation of Dreams and actually discover the meaning of your recurring dream then it would stop recurring. Just a thought.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 00:36:09

Sometimes I haven't got a clue what a dream I have means. Here's one: I'm stranded in some snowy mountain town somewhere in Nevada or Arizona. This is one of those technicolor vivid dreams that seem so eerily real because there is so much detail: bizarre geology, the buildings, scenery, people all seem quite real. I walk into a tobacco shop where the lady behind the counter acts like she's known me for years but I've never laid eyes on her before. She's grinning at me so I back off uneasy and see a mirror on the wall. The reflection I see is of a total stranger.
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Unread postby threadbear » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 01:59:37

Penultimate, That's fascinating. I'm not lucky enough to remember many dreams that have perfect clarity, like that. Tomorrow I'll PM you with thoughts on your dream and on my repeating one. Believe it or not, I've spent a good deal of my waking time thinking and reading about this kind of thing.
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Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 03 Feb 2005, 02:56:23

Great, I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Here's another one that I had a couple of months ago in the vivid category: I was exploring a rocky sandstone shoreline. There were lots of intricate weathering patterns and some old encampments with stuff people left behind. I wandered up a cliff and got stuck on a ledge. This was extremely vivid so that I could hear pounding surf and smell the salt in the air. I had acrophobia and was afraid I would fall but I couldn't move up or down. Here is where it gets really weird: though the emotions and sensations were real and causing panic, I knew I was dreaming and told myself 'don't worry, you're really in bed!' Then I woke up. I think this was probably the strangest dream I've ever had.
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