[PenultimateManStanding]

Sometimes I think you don't. Neither I nor my kids will have any food to eat. Spaghetti is great. Pork sausage, eggs and bacon. Salsa and corn chips. Steak with pepper. Now that's damn fine. The occasional can of pate or sardines. The hamburgers with canned smoke and garlic. The bananas from ten thousand miles away.

[Madpaddy]

Pasta and wine lovely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHf6Th-E3kE

[jasonraymondson]

start hoarding now.

You can buy all sort of great food that can be preserved and store to last a long time.

Twinkees are very good for long term survival.

[RedStateGreen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', '
')Twinkees are very good for long term survival.

[wisconsin_cur]

so is homemade pasta with dried tomatoes, washed down with some hard cider

or rutabega with a generous helping of butter, slow cooked in a dutch oven with rabbit

a good crumbly bread with some smoked jerky and just a little bit of cheese (it is worth a lot you know)

Yes I know what it means.

If we take the time we have to harvest the skills and resources we need it won't be that bad...

well you know for those of us in the west with the time and the resources to garner the skills and resources.

The Chinese, India, Thailand, Egypt, Liberea, they are really really screwed.

Suck it up, tough it out, do the best you can.

[Tyler_JC]

I'm betting my life that food transportation in rich, civilized countries will continue because we need food, we can pay for it, and it will be provided.

We will lose bananas from Brazil and 3,000 mile Caesar salads...but we won't starve.

1. Less than 10% of our energy use is food related. That's farms, petrochemical fertilizers, food processing plants, refrigeration, transportation, cooking, and the rest. Most of that energy is electrical, not chemical.

2. More than half of our food dollars are spent in restaurants. Spend those at home and save a fortune. And no, waitresses do not prop up the entire economy.

3. Most of the industrialized world is full of overweight or obese people.

4. We throw out millions of pounds of food every day. The United States, Canada, France, and Australia are some of the world's largest food exporters.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO STARVE.

The argument that we eat oil is just not true. There are plenty of substitutes readily available in the food industry and plenty of opportunities for increased efficiency. Do you really think that a bowl of Lucky Charms is the most efficient way to consume corn and wheat?

[Eli]

We will always have Bananas even if they have to sail them here we will have them. They will cost a weeks wage, but will have them.

[smallpoxgirl]

Sorry to bubble burst, but peak oil is the best thing that could ever happen for gastronomy. Few Americans have any appreciation for food because they are virtually never hungry. Fast for a week or two and a PBJ on wonderbread will bring you to unimagined heights of euphoria.

You can't appreciate the value of something unless you are forced to do without it.

[Narz]

I won't go hungry if I can do anything about it.

Really, if you were so serious about this, why the 10,000 posts?

[Jack]

There is wisdom in what Tyler_JC - as well as Eli and Smallpoxgirl - write.

We had bananas available in the 1930's. Oranges for Christmas, too. They didn't cost a weeks wages, either. Oh, they were luxury goods, true. The lower socio-economic tiers couldn't have them often. But they were available.

There's a place I go that turns out a really good meatloaf dinner for $8.00. I get it to go - and it makes four adequate meals. Now, think about that...a good, restaurant prepared meal for $2 each?

Or I can go to a burger place and get a burger for a buck - along with water to drink. For example, Wendy's has a crispy chicken sandwich for $1 (340 calories). Add a sour cream and chive baked potato for another $1, and 320 calories. So for $6 per day, one could consume about 2000 calories per day - all restaurant prepared. Were one to get radical and buy some peanut butter, one could cut the price even more.

The U.S. won't starve. We may have to scrape by on USDA choice instead of prime.

[Ludi]

Maybe you should learn how to grow food, or learn how to hunt and forage, PMS. Or get friendly with people who know how to do these things.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'M')aybe you should learn how to grow food, or learn how to hunt and forage, PMS. Or get friendly with people who know how to do these things.

[Ludi]

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean "a pass from" me, PMS. What whole doomer thing?


Personally, I think we have fallback options. But maybe that's what you mean, you didn't want me to enter your thread and tell you there's things you can do to better your situation.


You'd rather wallow in despair? You seem to like it, welcome it, cultivate it.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '
')You'd rather wallow in despair? You seem to like it, welcome it, cultivate it.

[Ludi]

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ':')roll:

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') wish these people would leave there while they still can

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') wish these people would leave there while they still can

[static66]

Funny how in the midst of all this Subprime Credit Crisis and property values plummeting.... those crazy californians are just burning up there properties and getting fat insurance checks.... santa ana winds and a lighter.... poof... no worries mate!
they are smart like that... show them a problem and they come up with a solution!! Please don't re-locate to Vermont.... we don't like that kind of "smart"

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('static66', 'F')unny how in the midst of all this Subprime Credit Crisis and property values plummeting.... those crazy californians are just burning up there properties and getting fat insurance checks.... santa ana winds and a lighter.... poof... no worries mate!
they are smart like that... show them a problem and they come up with a solution!! Please don't re-locate to Vermont.... we don't like that kind of "smart"