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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby Lighthouse » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 01:38:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'E')dit I didn't say all gods were man made.


that is up to you to decide.

I agree there is no way to prove anything. But even something like PO is hard to prove, there is an element of belief to everything in life.

I will say this though, I have examined the Quran I have read many Hadiths and looked at the life of Mohamed, how he lived and how he gained followers. I read the Sharia Law.

I have come to the firm conclusion that Mohamed was a man like any other he could be both cruel and kind, he said somethings that were wise and others that were just plain ignorant. He could be both greedy and generous. The words of the Koran are a step back for mankind. Justified killing in the name God, fighting other human beings to prove you are right, taxing people who do not believe as you do.

I don't hate Muslims but I do not like Islam, there is a lot of stuff that is just terrible about the religion and the Koran.

Christianity on the other hand would be great if people actually started doing what Jesus told them to do.


The problem with Christianity is the old testament. Which is a horrible collection of brutal short stories. The German author Marcus Starck said once in an interview if he needs inspiration for an disgusting brutal scene in his books, he reads the bible.

If I had recommend a religion - in case someone needs one - buddhism would be my choice. But then who is the god in buddhism, and can a religion without god be considered a religion?
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby Eli » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 01:38:51

Well there is your proof, not mine.( Roc)

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Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.

Jewish Antiquities 18.3.3



Now we can argue about whether or not Josephus wrote this but it would be a waist of time.
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby Eli » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 01:41:53

LIghthouse I hear you about the Old Testament their is a lot of stuff in their that I don't like.
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby roccman » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 01:47:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'W')ell there is your proof, not mine.( Roc)

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Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day.

Jewish Antiquities 18.3.3



Now we can argue about whether or not Josephus wrote this but it would be a waist of time.


One guy writes one paragraph and the worlds most influencial religion is born.

Are you serious Eli?
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby Eli » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 01:58:10

Yeah, that is exactly what I am saying :roll:

No that is not what I am saying, I am not going to argue with you about what I believe. You are free to believe what you want to believe.


But I will say one poor Jew goes walking around Roman occupied Judea, preaching for three years and one of the worlds most influential religions is born.
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby roccman » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 02:19:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'Y')eah, that is exactly what I am saying :roll:

No that is not what I am saying, I am not going to argue with you about what I believe. You are free to believe what you want to believe.


But I will say one poor Jew goes walking around Roman occupied Judea, preaching for three years and one of the worlds most influential religions is born.


Ok - I just find it odd that there is not one reference anywhere of his existance during the time was alive.

I also find it odd that almost every major religion that came before Jesus used the exact same story that Jesus was attributed...

1) Born on 12.25
2) Born of a virgin
3) Visited by 3 kings
4) called the "lamb of god"
5) was crucified
6) on the third day rose from the dead.
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 02:21:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'N')arz,

Here's what the Bible tells us.

God did not create this world this way, but when sin was brought in because of our disobiedence we've become separated. The world as we know it is fallen and cursed because of sin.

One thing I don't quite get is why would we worship the creation and not the Creator? Its like suggesting someone paint a great painting and put it in an art show. Then tell everyone walking past that they should compliment the painting for doing such a good job.
That makes no sense.

What makes sense is that we were made to have a relationship with God but our sin is getting in the way of that. Jesus is that bridge or mediator because He paid the fine for sin.

So Lighthouse, now to answer your question. It comes down to this. Who is Jesus Christ? Either He is who He said He is (God in the flesh) and He is the Saviour of the world or He isn't.

I know He is because I have experienced Him and have a personal testimony. We should be paying attention to what the Bible is telling us. Everything that is happening and will come to pass has been prophesized thousands of years ago.

This website breaks my heart because there is such Hope waiting there for so many hopeless people.

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I am willing to bet that you didn't find god till recently! Thus being the case I am willing to bet that this path to god came after some moment after things in your life started to go really bad, but then a voice came to you and told you the way the world really is.

This is called Schizophrenia. See immediate help.
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby Narz » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 02:36:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'N')arz,

Here's what the Bible tells us.

God did not create this world this way, but when sin was brought in because of our disobiedence we've become separated. The world as we know it is fallen and cursed because of sin.

Why would God curse His own world? How is cursing a sinner going to redeem him?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'O')ne thing I don't quite get is why would we worship the creation and not the Creator? Its like suggesting someone paint a great painting and put it in an art show. Then tell everyone walking past that they should compliment the painting for doing such a good job.
That makes no sense.

Humanity makes the art, nature makes the art. God may have set the wheels in motion (suspending disbelief for a moment to say there is a God) but he sure ain't doing sh!t now.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'W')hat makes sense is that we were made to have a relationship with God but our sin is getting in the way of that. Jesus is that bridge or mediator because He paid the fine for sin.

That doesn't make much sense to me but if it helps you.

Whatever I've done wrong in this lifetime, I don't want Jesus or anyone else to suffer for (or magically remove it). I want to learn for myself and change myself.

Discussions with religious folks rarely get anywhere but I may play for another couple of posts just for fun.

Really though Alex. Do you truly believe the Bible? That man cannot love the world & also love God. Does that really make sense to you? This world is all we've got. The idea that the natural world is an abstraction and "God" is real is one of the reasons for the wholesale destruction of the Earth. IMO, it is misguided and preventable.

Also, I echo the qestions of the above posters. How do you know your God is the real one? If you'd be born Muslim don't you think you'd be feeling the same way about Allah (or Hindu - Brahman, etc.?
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 03:11:32

When it comes to logic and religion... never the twain shall meet.

It is like trying to argue with a four year old over the existence of the easter bunny. Just give it up and focus on some good old porn at redtube.com
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby jasonraymondson » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 03:13:30

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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby Narz » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 14:20:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', 'W')hen it comes to logic and religion... never the twain shall meet.

the more that seems to be the case. However it's my nature to try to understand and help.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jasonraymondson', ' ')Just give it up and focus on some good old porn at redtube.com

No porn, must resist, saving up for when I get back to my lady next week. :-D

Nice video BTW. I'm usually disappointed w/ comedy these days but that wasn't bad. :)
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby SpringCreekFarm » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 14:46:47

Having faith in some entity is not the same as knowledge. There is no way of knowing if there even is a God. Even the holiest of men can only speculate on what REALLY happens after we die. Only when a person dies, is the true knowledge known, that is, if a person is still somehow concious on some level to realize it. I think that life is a continuation of energy passed from parents to child and that energy simply dissipates after death and the body rots back to the elements. There is nothing after death. Nothing at all. And you'll know no better than before you were born.

I'm in the camp that religion was created by man to control man.
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 15:04:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', '
')I'm in the camp that religion was created by man to control man.
I don't think this way. At least not if you mean some conspired to control others by inventing stories. The deeper meaning is ritual. Sacred rites. Something to say over the graves of loved ones. Something to say when a young man and woman get married. Something to say when their babies are born. And even having something to say at all. I'm no theologian, but that's my impression.
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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby kevincarter » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 15:55:57

ATTENTION ATTENTION

This thread has been hijacked, please see the down picture for some humor. Inflation is gonna leave our ass looking like the Japaneese flag

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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby kevincarter » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 16:13:39

Also if you need motivation...


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Re: We are so very screwed....

Unread postby POAlex » Fri 23 Nov 2007, 19:42:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'Y')eah, that is exactly what I am saying :roll:

No that is not what I am saying, I am not going to argue with you about what I believe. You are free to believe what you want to believe.


But I will say one poor Jew goes walking around Roman occupied Judea, preaching for three years and one of the worlds most influential religions is born.


Ok - I just find it odd that there is not one reference anywhere of his existance during the time was alive.

I also find it odd that almost every major religion that came before Jesus used the exact same story that Jesus was attributed...

1) Born on 12.25
2) Born of a virgin
3) Visited by 3 kings
4) called the "lamb of god"
5) was crucified
6) on the third day rose from the dead.


This is the same kind of stuff that's being propogated by the Zeitgeist movie. Its all completely false.

For example, there's nothing in the Bible about Jesus birth day being 12/25 and the Christmas celebration is a creation of the Roman Catholic Church. So anyone who tries to dispute Christ's existence using that, has obviously not even looked at the basic facts.

http://1peter315.blogspot.com/2007/08/z ... us_30.html

Please don't do yourself a disservice and believe this kind of stuff without researching it yourself. Too much is at stake here.

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