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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 18:58:06

Don't worry, I believe that only the light, sweet, beer is getting more rare. There is still plenty of sour beer, beer sands and shales, and if I remember correctly, you can make a synthetic beer from coal. As always, all of these feed stocks will readily produce gas from beer. We have hundreds of years worth of beer and beer equivalents remaining, but it is obvious that the beer exporting countries will be in control of supply and pricing as never before from here on out.

I am doing the thorough research to carefully back my assertions soon, and I will present it when I have finished and have subjected it to a very rigorous peer review.
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby davep » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 19:03:30

Actually, there's a new recycled beer unit being installed in my local. It should save the day.

It does have the unfortunate side-effect of making recycled Belgian beer taste like American stuff though. :-D
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 19:06:27

efarmer's reply

^^^^ [smilie=laughing4.gif] ^^^^

I look forward to that peer-reviewed submission.

I also heard a man bragging about bio-synthesizing algae into an alcoholic beverage. He said we can manufacture the entire world demand for beer with just a 40,000 square mile patch in the Arizona desert.
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby efarmer » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 19:07:03

Davep, if it is chilled and served in a frosty mug, and you will take US dollars in payment, we shall most probably drink it.
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby pjd2 » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 19:21:35

I heard about 2-3 weeks ago on AM radio that beer prices this winter were going to rise noticably due to a very poor hops crop this year. Something about the weather conditions being different this year, and hops fields going into corn and wheat for food stocks and of course Ethanol production. When I get home from work, Ill see if I can find a link to the report.
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 21:20:00

If this doesn't get college students to organize against biofuels, I don't know what will... :roll:
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 23:04:16

Peak Beer on it's way?!! Oh No!
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby denverdave » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 23:43:52

Funny, I just got back from a beer run before I saw this thread, and I'd noticed that the price of a 12 can case of PBR had gone from $4.99 a few months ago to $6.69. :(
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby JoeW » Tue 13 Nov 2007, 00:47:16

Expensive beer??? Damn it all! When will this insanity end?
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 13 Nov 2007, 06:42:07

Does anyone know anything about hops and hops production? It seems to me that beer can be brewed and distributed locally, but I am not sure about hops production? only certain soils or climate zones?
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby Grifter » Tue 13 Nov 2007, 07:06:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'D')oes anyone know anything about hops and hops production? It seems to me that beer can be brewed and distributed locally, but I am not sure about hops production? only certain soils or climate zones?


I knew already that hops were very hardy plants. Also in the UK they can often be found growing wild.

anyway

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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Tue 13 Nov 2007, 07:09:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'D')oes anyone know anything about hops and hops production? It seems to me that beer can be brewed and distributed locally, but I am not sure about hops production? only certain soils or climate zones?


Looks like it can be grown just about anywhere, or at least in temperate climates.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he 2005 world production of hops according to FAOSTAT was as follows;

Germany 29,000 tonnes
USA 26,180 tonnes
China 20,000 tonnes
Czech Republic 6,800 tonnes
Poland 3,355 tonnes
Australia 2,000 tonnes
North Korea 2,000 tonnes
UK 2,000 tonnes
Slovenia 1,500 tonnes
France 1,400 tonnes
The total world production for 2005 was 102,216 tonnes
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby MrBill » Tue 13 Nov 2007, 07:28:59

Thanks. That is a relief. Local beer, wine and spirit production will be important in a post peak oil world as one, we may have limited access to clean water if current waste water plants do not have enough energy or breakdown due to a lack of spare parts. And secondly if a lack of local power means a shortage of refrigeration. I had worried that if hops production was too localized due to production difficulties that hops transport would also be an issue. Thanks for the links. I am glad we will still have beer! Cheers.
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby mattduke » Tue 13 Nov 2007, 12:33:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('denverdave', 'F')unny, I just got back from a beer run before I saw this thread, and I'd noticed that the price of a 12 can case of PBR had gone from $4.99 a few months ago to $6.69. :(

Shares of PBR (Petroleo Brasileiro) are going for $100. Just a few months ago it was $60. I'm not sure which PBR I prefer!
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby SILENTTODD » Fri 16 Nov 2007, 00:36:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'D')oes anyone know anything about hops and hops production? It seems to me that beer can be brewed and distributed locally, but I am not sure about hops production? only certain soils or climate zones?


I know they commercially grow a lot of it in northern California. Saw a local documentary from a series “California’s Gold” that actually showed a lot about how it’s commercially grown and harvested. It’s for sale on this site below, but I judge well worth it if you’re really interested in

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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby Blacksmith » Fri 16 Nov 2007, 03:12:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBill', 'D')oes anyone know anything about hops and hops production? It seems to me that beer can be brewed and distributed locally, but I am not sure about hops production? only certain soils or climate zones?


Last year my wife planted hops they grew like weeds. Grew up the sides of spruce trees. If we can grow them they will grow anywhere.
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 16 Nov 2007, 05:22:11

If they're so dang hardy, why is there such a shortage?
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So I went to the local microbrewery and they had a new brew called "heather." No, it wasn't made from mean teenage girls. Apparently this scrubby bush of the English moors is a passable substitute for hops. Frankly, it tastes a bit funky on the first couple sips, but once your mouth adjusts (and the beer lust kicks in), it's not so bad.

Has anyone else had anything like it? Are there other substitutes we'll be hearing about (and quaffing)?
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby dohboi » Fri 16 Nov 2007, 05:23:26

If they're so dang hardy, why is there such a shortage?
Peak Hops! What next?

So I went to the local microbrewery and they had a new brew called "heather." No, it wasn't made from mean teenage girls. Apparently this scrubby bush of the English moors is a passable substitute for hops. Frankly, it tastes a bit funky on the first couple sips, but once your mouth adjusts (and the beer lust kicks in), it's not so bad.

Has anyone else had anything like it? Are there other substitutes we'll be hearing about (and quaffing)?
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby Grifter » Fri 16 Nov 2007, 06:22:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', 'I')f they're so dang hardy, why is there such a shortage?
Peak Hops! What next?

So I went to the local microbrewery and they had a new brew called "heather." No, it wasn't made from mean teenage girls. Apparently this scrubby bush of the English moors is a passable substitute for hops. Frankly, it tastes a bit funky on the first couple sips, but once your mouth adjusts (and the beer lust kicks in), it's not so bad.

Has anyone else had anything like it? Are there other substitutes we'll be hearing about (and quaffing)?


Yes, it's like drinking liquid pot pouri. Hate it.

I could possibly develop a taste for it, in hard times.
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Re: Cost of Beer Rising

Unread postby Starvid » Fri 16 Nov 2007, 06:47:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'D')idn't matter though, as I went there specifically for this:
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That beer is just horrible. It's also the only beer besides Heineken which is sold widely in France. Poor French.

A good thing with more expensive beer is that the price spread between cheap beer and quality beer should shrink, increasing the incentives of choosing quality beer. :)

Like this one.

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