[Madpaddy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')S far as I'm concerned you can take IRA, PIRA and RIRA and all that romantic pub bombing romantic bullshit and stick it, along with the Orange maniacs and the Ulstermen loonies, where the sun doesn't shine - in Ireland

[K9P]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', '
')Who is Johnny boy. The only Johnny boy I know plays at outhalf for the English rugby team.

[K9P]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', '[')- and funny enough 95% of the population of the Republic of Ireland where I am from would agree with you.

[JayHMorrison]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuck', '
')I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I really do think that the reason lies partially in our rich history.

[K9P]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JayHMorrison', '
')That European history has brought some amazing things to the world. The Inquisition, the Crusades, the Holocaust, the Dark Ages, the Hundred Years War, Colonialism, etc. .

[Madpaddy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')h, and don't give me that crap either. Your pathetic whinging can't hide from the fact that insurgents only survive because the local population supports them. Blaming someone else and getting others to fight and dessicate civlilians for you whilst taking the high ground - what's new in Ireland these days? I've been to Crossmaglen and Dublin so don't bullshit me with any 'don't blame me, I'm a bystander,' Irish romantic twaddle. You're forever playing the victim on this site - grow up.

PS this thread is about Sharon

[Chuck]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JayHMorrison', '
')That European history has brought some amazing things to the world. The Inquisition, the Crusades, the Holocaust, the Dark Ages, the Hundred Years War, Colonialism, etc.

Rich history indeed.

[K9P]

Madpaddy - I love you really - maybe. I do have a short fuse on the Irish issue though and Ruddles - well, it beats that black soup.

I was so pissed off with the things done in 'my' name, the torture and sensory deprivation experiments, Thatcher, Trinquier, Kitson, the Algerian style death squads, pseudo gangs, the total distortion of Diplock courts, the so-called British Orange creatures, the dismissive and sometimes cowardly Irish public attitude, the bent Irish politicians and the whole mess-up that counter insurgency operations causes to liberal societies that I went over there for a 2 week self-survey to find out for myself. It had got to the stage where you couldn't meet another ignorant Yank without being seen as a torturer's apprentice. (Those dumb American NORAID donors have a thing or two to pay for in hell). I had the odd run-in with soldiers emerging from ditches in Armagh who couldn't believe I was a tourist or thought my 200mm lens was a rifle and the odd, rabid anti-Brit, venom spitting moron in Derry. I wanted to see for myself what 'we' were doing and toured everywhere from Andersonstown to ...wherever there'd been pointless killings of 3000+ people.

Thus, I find the jokey funny ha ha anti-Brit Irish crap at best in very poor taste and at worst ignorant and offensive.

So now, having seen that small place reduced to utter chaos and understood the virtual impossibility of kid glove resolution when faced with people who will kill anyone just for the hell of creating hell - and the perfect Ireland. Combine that with the speed at which politicians grab for the intolerance/authoritarian lever - vide the Brit Home Secretary today - I am really very concerned about how successful that murderous evil bastard Bin Liner is being at effing up our happy post-cold war world; him and to a much lesser extent, his brother in hate pal, Sharon.

Did the Yanks know nothing went they went to Iraq? Did the Brits not tell them? Why did Blair take us in, is he completely stupid?

Why is it that all these return to the past mythologicalising romantics - Hitler, Bin Liner - cause such mayhem?

The idea that spies have time or reason to read this stuff is one of your better ones. . Why do people want to believe that spies would be interested in our drivel? I don't get the psychology involved - paranoia, bloated self-importance?

PS Crossmaglen police station should have been preserved as a tourist attraction, a sort of visual reminder of the consequences of romantic Irish insanity. I vaguely recall the PIRA blew up a boy soldier there with a bike bomb and murdered about 10 others in all over a few years. It was the gateway to the safe haven South and crawling, literally, with soldiers and their 'players'.

[JayHMorrison]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuck', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JayHMorrison', '
')That European history has brought some amazing things to the world. The Inquisition, the Crusades, the Holocaust, the Dark Ages, the Hundred Years War, Colonialism, etc.

Rich history indeed.

[K9P]

Here's some juicy facts to chew on.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 49,00.html

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'N')o - no brain - not anymore anyway. It has been turned to jello by worrying about the future and too many hours spent looking at this website. Seriously

[PenultimateManStanding]

Ingrid Bergman said that happiness is good health and a bad memory. There was a movie a while back in which a company offered to erase specific memories for a fee. I think I'd like to do that and then have an implant to ignore anything about oil.

[threadbear]

The Russians and Americans were united agains the fascists, not for ideological or compassionate reasons, but in self interest. The American and British shared very close familial and business ties and America was not about to let Britain be invaded. The corporate spirit of the times, was anti Jewish and pro fascist, except where that was inconvenient. British and American companies helped build the war machine and the crematoriums. Many Jews tried to escape Germany prior to the war, but weren't allowed to emigrate because many countries had quotas for minorities, Jews most specifically, at that time. Most people don't understand that Jews were actively invited to leave by the German govt. It wasn't Germany holding them against their will.

After the war the Jews STILL couldn't find countries who would take them and that is one of the reasons the state of Israel was created.

I have to agree with Chuck on this one. Fascism is a human disease not restricted to Northern Europe. It has a very strong history in the US.

[K9P]

Threadbear - agreed that the war was not fought to save the Jews but it was fought against Fascism and they were motivated by their hatred and desire to rid Germany of the Jews.

Russia was initially allied to Germany. Communism was feared by all but was gaining ground in Europe. See the Battle of Cable street. But German fascism was feared more. If not, it would have made more sense to unite against communism.

Have a look at Britain's fascist, Oswald Moseley. His BUF party was a total failure. Some prominent people like the British (ie German) monarchy were pro-fascist but NOT the mass of the people. http://languages.londonmet.ac.uk/med/me ... ascism.htm

Americans were very ambivalent about joing on Britain's side. There were many American Germans.

The German war machine was built secretly at first and then no-one wanted to do anything about it. A blind eye was turned to Nazi rearmament but not by Churchill. You have to remember the Great War ate men up like a sausage machine and men then in their 30's had fought in it. They knew what war was.

The USA experience of WWI was not equivalent to the European - it had hit it but not as hard as it had scorched Europe. The Doughboys did not arrive until 1917, it took time for them to get up and running. It was American resources and the flood of new blood which tipped the scales. American losses (260k)were small in size and population percentage terms to the French (6m) and British (3m). Imagine the carnage of 3 battles of the Somme or the French at Verdun. America winces when 30 die in a day, try 20,000 dead and 40,000 wounded ON ONE DAY. http://www.spoulton.fsnet.co.uk/Book/Somme.htm
American self-interest was initially seen as being: leave 'em to it.

Total dead WWI:

http://www.ysursa.com/history/West%20Ci ... alties.htm

Europe had been devastated. Think 9/11 x 10,000. Fascism promised a re-match and was the threat because of its expansionist and territorial demands. The rise of the Bosch beast, resurfaced and unified by racial supremacy and intent on war, terrified one and all.

Most German Jews were not all in a position to leave. No one had any idea - not even Hitler - of a Final Solution until much later. By the time they woke-up to it the mass were trapped and travel was banned. European Jews had no idea their countries were about to be overrun.

After the war the Brits could hardly feed themselves, neither could the rest of the Europeans and much of the wrecked world. Look at the trouble of holding Iraq now, after that tea party - Europe was awash with refugees - have you know idea of the devastation? America has never suffered a modern war on its soil which is why they went hysterical over 9/11 (3000 dead) and are so keen to start them off all over the place. Just think of Dresden, 100,000 dead in one raid in one place.

This is why I say Sharon is an arse to say what he did. A schit stirring troublemaker.

[Madpaddy]

Good post K9P,

And I would totally disagree with Threadbare about the Americans not letting Britian be invaded. If Hitler had driven over the troops in Dunkirk with his panzers and not switched the Luftwaffe from bombing RAF stations to bombing cities - the UK would have been invaded and there is nothing the US could have done about it even if they wanted to. Even after pearl harbour it was Germany who declared war on the US and not the other way around.

Hitler thought that by sparing the troops in Dunkirk that Churchill would see him as being a "nice guy" and peace could be made between Germany and Britain - Churchill saw Hitler for the meglomaniac he was and knew he had to be stopped.

[K9P]

Madpaddy - thanks. I was hoping for an off-thread response to my Irish rant on page 2.

[Madpaddy]

There was a lot of passion in that rant - it was good to see. What about the stiff upper lip you're supposed to maintain.

NORAID - sad really. My ex girlfriend used to work in a jewellery shop in Galway. They had a busload of NORAID types in one day buying claddagh rings etc. They were genuinely inquiring as to where they might see a real leprechaun. One of the shop wits said there had been a sighting in Donegal town only that morning - The bus sped off to Donegal immediately. This is true - can you believe it.


We all know that no self respecting leprechaun would leave Co. Kerry


PS: 100% true story -

[K9P]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', 'N')ORAID - sad really. My ex girlfriend used to work in a jewellery shop in Galway. They had a busload of NORAID types in one day buying claddagh rings etc. They were genuinely inquiring as to where they might see a real leprechaun. One of the shop wits said there had been a sighting in Donegal town only that morning - The bus sped off to Donegal immediately. This is true - can you believe it.
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[Madpaddy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f I don't believe it you'll think I can't take an Irishman's word for gospel because I'm a British supremacist empire type.

[K9P]

Madpaddy - and there was me thinking what a clever little Politically Correct perfidious Albion ruse I'd used to avoid laughing at dumb American tourists and make you laugh at the same time!

I must try harder.