[BlisteredWhippet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'A')nyways- if you guys have some pointers let me know- would you pick Phoenix or Vegas?

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'A')nyways- if you guys have some pointers let me know- would you pick Phoenix or Vegas?

[Plantagenet]

Here is the official city of Portland "Sustainability" website.

Portland is green

Portland is one of the most progressive US cities...its trying hard to reduce it's energy use and shift to alternative fuels.

[Plantagenet]

Portland's city government even has a "peakoil" task force.



Portland's plan for peak oil

They plan to cut their oil use by 50% in the next 25 years. Isn't that a good thing?

[thuja]

Ahh- that's just hype and words- I'm looking forward to moving to Vegas- where they plan on building some new energy efficient Casinos. Really, if you think about it, they're more Green over there...they used compact flourescents when you're playing the slots on the Strip.

[eastbay]

Portland is one of the most progressive US cities...its trying hard to reduce it's energy use and shift to alternative fuels.

Planetagenet,

Nope. Fossil fuel use in the Portland Metro Area is increasing just like in any other major urban area. It's all a bunch of rediculous marketing hype.


thuja,

You need to begin meditation sessions or you will go insane for real. I suggest a breathing technique... it's quite calming.



Blistered Whippet,

You are right on there my man! I was on Mt Hood last July and those Glaciers are already shrinking. In a few years, maybe decades, the Sandy will probably be nearly dry in the early Fall. In fact, last August my wife and I walked across The Sandy and it was only 8" deep at most.


Oh, and here for those of you who want to know what
green really means today.

And, for those who want to know what sustainability means... and it says nothing about hungry zombie hordes eating MAX trains for dinner.

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '
')
thuja,

You need to begin meditation sessions or you will go insane for real. I suggest a breathing technique... it's quite calming.

[eastbay]

Thanks thuja, but it sounds like quite a drive and I really dislike burning gas unless I really have to. And we don't ride MAX. Too dangerous.

We buy a share of a local organic farm's produce so for about seven months we receive a nice weekly load of veggies for four. It's less than three miles from the house so if we wanted we could walk.

The cooler 24 weeks are a problem. A big problem some day. For now, the freezer is full of frozen veggies but it's not a sustainable way of covering the winter. We're canning too, and in a few years hopefully we'll be quite good at it so it can replace the freezer if need be. We did 40 13 oz jars of blackberry jam (which are free, as you know).

It's a slow learning process. A little more each day. Our pumpkin bread has been great these past few weeks. The sugar-pie pumkins from our home garden were perfect this year and the house smells wonderful too! The past few weeks we picked 30 nice big ones. Next year hopefully we'll get even more.

Keep up the good work thuja. I know your heart's in the right place.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ') for those who want to know what sustainability means... and it says nothing about hungry zombie hordes eating MAX trains for dinner.

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'T')hanks thuja, but it sounds like quite a drive and I really dislike burning gas unless I really have to. And we don't ride MAX. Too dangerous.

We buy a share of a local organic farm's produce so for about seven months we receive a nice weekly load of veggies for four. It's less than three miles from the house so if we wanted we could walk.

The cooler 24 weeks are a problem. A big problem some day. For now, the freezer is full of frozen veggies but it's not a sustainable way of covering the winter. We're canning too, and in a few years hopefully we'll be quite good at it so it can replace the freezer if need be. We did 40 13 oz jars of blackberry jam (which are free, as you know).

It's a slow learning process. A little more each day. Our pumpkin bread has been great these past few weeks. The sugar-pie pumkins from our home garden were perfect this year and the house smells wonderful too! The past few weeks we picked 30 nice big ones. Next year hopefully we'll get even more.

Keep up the good work thuja. I know your heart's in the right place.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'w')e don't ride MAX. Too dangerous.

[eastbay]

No hunting for me. Vegetarian. Can't say it couldn't happen at some point though. 'Preparation' and 'efficiency' are what we're really looking for.

I really don't have all that great of a set-up here. It's way too small, but we're making the best of it and it's a small step in the right direction, for now anyhow. At some point it won't be quite enough and we'll probably have to push deeper east. I think we still have a few more years before then. No one really knows how fast things will unwind.

So, how're your martial arts coming along? Any steps in that direction? Could come in handy...

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'Y')ou've posted more then once that the Portland light rail transit system is "too dangerous" for you to use.

What are you afraid of? Did you have a bad experience on the train?

[eastbay]

Speaking of mass transit danger SPG,

A local Portland cop recently got in hot water with his administrators because he wrote a published letter saying even though he's armed at all times he still won't ride MAX at night. Too dangerous. Hilarious.

I did it once too and won't make that mistake again.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', ' ')he's armed at all times he still won't ride MAX at night. Too dangerous. Hilarious.

I did it once too and won't make that mistake again.

[thuja]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'N')o hunting for me. Vegetarian. Can't say it couldn't happen at some point though. 'Preparation' and 'efficiency' are what we're really looking for.

I really don't have all that great of a set-up here. It's way too small, but we're making the best of it and it's a small step in the right direction, for now anyhow. At some point it won't be quite enough and we'll probably have to push deeper east. I think we still have a few more years before then. No one really knows how fast things will unwind.

So, how're your martial arts coming along? Any steps in that direction? Could come in handy...

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thuja', 'G')oing East? I don't know exactly where you are along the Gorge but the Dalles seems to be the dividing line climate wise. At that point things get a lot dryer and more arid. Aren't you worried about less rainfall?

[thuja]

Yeah I was wondering what a sea level rise would do to the Columbia, the Willamette and how that would impact Portland- any good info?

And yeah- for some reason I thought Eastbay was farther out- anyways- the real dicey spots seem to be in the 160's and on around Burnside/Division/Powell- gangsta paradise...

[thuja]

Oops sorry- I took a look at those maps but they seem a tad conservative to me...any detailed local studies?

[eastbay]

Nope guys, we're between 257th and the Sandy. And yes, bicycle riding around here is spooky at times.

Oh, I recently did a GoogleEarth and the Columbia River is only 27' above sea level at the Sandy, if I recall correctly.

By 'east' I mean a hop across the Sandy, near Corbett or somewhere south of the Gorge falls. We look once in awhile. Prices are a bit steep now. But certainly not as far east as The Dalles.