[NEOPO]

Iraq Veterans Speak Out - part 1

Iraq Veterans Speak Out - part 2

Iraq Veterans Against the War

Iraq Veterans Against the War II

Operation First Casualty

The first of many.

Brave enough to resist.
Honorable enough to respect all life.
Bold enough to speak the truth.
Courageous enough to say NO!

[Fishman]

A tiny, tiny fraction. glad they have right to speak out.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'A') tiny, tiny fraction. glad they have right to speak out.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NotMyBlood', 'b')ut please, comparing America to an organization that systematically murdered millions of people .....ISNT HELPING!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NotMyBlood', ' ')If for Any reason, Oil becomes so expensive it starts hurting Joe and Jane American, all bets are off. The same 70% that want us to withdraw from Iraq will be calling for WWIII!!!

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '
')6. If you want to let other countries pay, so let the rest of the world elect another president of the United States of America..

[Alcassin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Keith_McClary', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alcassin', '
')6. If you want to let other countries pay, so let the rest of the world elect another president of the United States of America..

[Ferretlover]

IMHO, the rest of the world is/will be paying for the War on Iraq. Perhaps indirectly for now, but look at the global economics situation now...

Also: Gentlemen, Please think about what you are posting. Some of you are linking the citizens of the US with the actions of the government of the US.
I, for one, have always thought this war was wrong, wrong, wrong! And, yes I Have complained, many times, to my Senators, representatives, the President and VP, the Secretary of the UN, and, one day (it took almost 6 hrs), I also emailed every single Senator in the US.

[phaeryen]

I think even a suggestion of the idea is offensive.

"Should the rest of the world help pay for the Iraq war?"

Never. No. The invasion and occupation was illegit and the people responsible are war criminals of the highest order.

No more money should be spent on this war.

The tab should be picked up by the conglomerate of corporations that made the most money out of the invasion, and of course all the personal savings of the people responsible for the war should be thrown in.

The corporations will be let off the hook of course, when the dust of the withdrawing troops settles, so its only right that whatever costs there will be will be paid by the US citizenry whose idiotic government was behind it, and the US citizenry who failed to revolt when they should've.

If anything, the rest of the world should finance a revolt in the US.

[coyotl]

yes.
Patriotism is okay, but remember that the Empire created after WWII was/is not so much an Amercan Empire, rather an international one, a corporate big business empire, based on their control of the US state/military power.
They have kept their control over the basic decisions of society through a mind control/media machine, and made use of ordinary Americans as taxpayers and cannon fodder in colonial wars.

And most importantly this empire has had the as-fast-as possible depletion of a unique resource as a basic premise, this was made the order of the day of civilization because this was the basis for their power and profits.
They did learn a thing or two from the Nazis, they didn't just take their rocket scientists, they appreciated other things too..

These people don't give a rat's ass about humanity. What they will do now that this arrangement comes to an end remains to be seen.

The Iraq war probably gives you the answer. To ask others to pay for that is a travesty.

[Ferretlover]

HHHmmm.. Then, Thomas Jefferson should have written the statement as "separation of church, state and business."

[Fiddlerdave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'I')MHO, the rest of the world is/will be paying for the War on Iraq. Perhaps indirectly for now, but look at the global economics situation now...

Also: Gentlemen, Please think about what you are posting. Some of you are linking the citizens of the US with the actions of the government of the US.
I, for one, have always thought this war was wrong, wrong, wrong! And, yes I Have complained, many times, to my Senators, representatives, the President and VP, the Secretary of the UN, and, one day (it took almost 6 hrs), I also emailed every single Senator in the US.

[Ferretlover]

I know, Fiddler. Those body bags contain the bodies of people who have already paid for the war.

I just got tired of hearing how rotten the US was, when it was the US Government (aka Bush & Co, etc) which is responsible.
US citizens did not get to vote on whether or not to commit the illegal invasion...

[btu2012]

The US needs to get out of Iraq and hand the security of that country to an international army composed of Muslim forces chosen exclusively from countries who did not support that war. That could be funded through the UN, which means international funding not for the war but for salvaging what's left of the peace.

However the US will not do this, since Iraq was occupied deliberately as part of a grand strategy of establishing control over the remaining oil resources and of reducing Russia's sphere of influence.

The whole debate over the war, as carried out in the international media, is nothing but mindless noise. There is almost never any discussion of the strategic motivations for the war, the planning of which it was a part, the geopolitical reaction of the major powers etc. The plaintive naivete of the left wing critics is as childish as the mindless jingoism of the right wing supporters. The fact that the debate has been carried at such low intellectual levels proves beyond a doubt that the 100 year old program of brainwashing the population of modern nations has been a stunning success.

Btu

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mircea', 'T')hird, the US military presence in the Middle East is not intended to protect oil, it's there to gain access to Central Asia.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NotMyBlood', 'T')he US does alot good for the Global community that's not discussed or appreciated. It's easy to blame the US for all the worlds problems. Since we won WWII and the Cold War, were perceived, and rightly so, as the Worlds only Super Power. An Empire; But, it was never the US's intention to 'rule the world'. Globisation, Capitalism, American Culture, American Ideals, and Geopolitical circumstances have propelled it into an Empire.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NotMyBlood', 'B')ut, Ive got to realize that America truly is an Empire.

[btu2012]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'N')othing would make me happier then to have the new government of Iraq sign an oil contract with the French. 8)

[eastbay]

A Nightmare with no end in sight is what Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez called the US military occupation of Iraq. He went further by blaming the administration for a "catastrophically flawed, unrealistically optimistic war plan" calling the recent surge "desperate" and the Bush handling of the war, "incompetent."

This is a truly amazing speech. 53 months of US military occupation has turned Iraq into a sterile wasteland teeming with anti-US sentiment and feeding the most radical patriotic Iraqi elements. Thousands are killed every month as a result of this disaster. Many are innocent civilians and many others are patriotic elements killed performing their duty trying to destroy an occupation army.

I'm still waiting for a high ranking Iraq veteran to call for an immediate and complete withdrawl of all US forces. I believe that we'll hear this fairly soon.

However, we won't hear a major party candidate for the US presidency make such a demand. I wonder why?

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '.')..However, we won't hear a major party candidate for the US presidency make such a demand. I wonder why?