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Unread postby stu » Wed 01 Dec 2004, 10:06:04

Whoops forgot the rating. :oops:

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Unread postby Pherdz » Thu 02 Dec 2004, 05:53:43

Have you guys heard this conspiracy that Ruppert really works for the CIA and that he feeds us all this info to keep us scared?

Check out this page: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr64.html

Funny.
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Unread postby stu » Thu 02 Dec 2004, 14:22:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pherdz', 'H')ave you guys heard this conspiracy that Ruppert really works for the CIA and that he feeds us all this info to keep us scared?

Check out this page: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr64.html

Funny.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wow. Theres so much evidence to back up his claim :roll:
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Unread postby skateari » Thu 02 Dec 2004, 15:17:32

you can see how great that website is.. just look at this comment, brilliant if I can say so myself:

"This raises, in my mind at least, one very obvious question: how is it possible that nature has been taking an extremely heavy toll on the globe's 'fossil fuels' for hundreds of thousands of years (at the very least), without depleting the reserves that were supposedly created long, long ago; and yet man, who has been extracting and burning 'fossil fuels' for the mere blink of an eye, geologically speaking, has managed to nearly strip the planet clean?"

Wow, this guy is ahead of his time. Ruppert must be wrong, this guy just shoved all Ruppert has proven right back in his face. booyaa
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Unread postby fastbike_gst1 » Thu 02 Dec 2004, 15:28:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pherdz', '
')Check out this page: http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr64.html


I've just checked this Dave's latest newsletter (dated 24 Nov).

An interesting character - most of what he has written has been cut-and-pasted from other web sites, especially his pieces on abiotic oil.

He provides another link to http://www.prouty.org/oil.html where $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')... Since oil is lighter than water, everywhere on Earth, there is no way that petroleum could be an organic, fossil fuel that is created on or near the surface, and penetrate Earth ahead of water. Oil must originate far below and gradually work its way up into well-depth areas accessable to surface drilling. It comes from far below. Therefore, petroleum is not a "Fossil" fuel with a surface or near surface origin ...


Since when have oil geologists postulated that oil was created on the surface ? My understanding was that the organic matter was deposited on the surface and later buried, where at depth and pressure it is transformed into hydrocarbons.
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Unread postby stu » Thu 02 Dec 2004, 16:22:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skateari', 'y')ou can see how great that website is.. just look at this comment, brilliant if I can say so myself:

"This raises, in my mind at least, one very obvious question: how is it possible that nature has been taking an extremely heavy toll on the globe's 'fossil fuels' for hundreds of thousands of years (at the very least), without depleting the reserves that were supposedly created long, long ago; and yet man, who has been extracting and burning 'fossil fuels' for the mere blink of an eye, geologically speaking, has managed to nearly strip the planet clean?"

Wow, this guy is ahead of his time. Ruppert must be wrong, this guy just shoved all Ruppert has proven right back in his face. booyaa


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Now I realize that this is not some sort of conspiracy but..

Unread postby tokyo_to_motueka » Fri 03 Dec 2004, 03:18:29

If you do a search on www.google.com for:

[ruppert "crossing the rubicon"]

you get approximately 11,600 results.

If you then search news.google.com for:

[ruppert "crossing the rubicon"]

you get 4 results

(these are from FTW, CounterPunch, Axis of Logic and Vive le Canada).

Please note that google news only covers 30 days of news articles from 4,500 news sources.
In other words, not a word of this book in the last month in the mainstream press. Not one.
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Unread postby ck » Sun 16 Jan 2005, 23:45:58

Wish I knew more about this "Peak Oil" business, but I'll check out the book... I have a feeling it helps to confirm what a lot of us have thought since 9-11... It was to perfect of everything on 9-11, never really added up when you looked at the facts... Like how we still have the same supposed 19 hijackers of that day, yet 7 of these guys have turned up alive and well in other countries...hmm... Or that the trade towers came down faster than the law that encompasses the rate of speed at which a free falling object can travel allows... The wrld is so interesting if we just look into it a bit...lots still to do beside watching tv
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Unread postby PhilBiker » Tue 18 Jan 2005, 09:38:43

I personally Don't Trust Ruppert. One sentence from that last link sums it up quite well $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')uppert is an expert at combining facts with unreliable reports and wild leaps of illogic.
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Unread postby jimmyc » Tue 18 Jan 2005, 10:35:36

PhilBiker, I don't think Rubbert's assertions are "illogical" at all. In fact, each day they seem more and more logical. Please give an example of where Ruppert combines fact with wild leaps of illogic, so that we can say, "Oh, yeah, that was a wild leap of illogic." or "No, actually Ruppert's view confirms what I see with my own eyes and feel in my own heart."
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Unread postby Kingcoal » Tue 18 Jan 2005, 13:54:52

The problem with using the news media as sources is that the new media is generally wildly inaccurate. If you don't believe me, just become involved in something where you are witness to an event that is reported on such as a traffic accident and you'll see what I mean.

You could probably spin any kind of conspiracy out of the garbage laying on the newsroom floor.
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Unread postby TrueKaiser » Tue 18 Jan 2005, 23:46:39

i haven't read the book but it's on my list to do so. though the fact that rupert was once in a insane asylum only makes me think it's just the rambleings of a person who is not running on all cylinders.
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Unread postby skateari » Wed 19 Jan 2005, 00:10:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PhilBiker', 'I') personally Don't Trust Ruppert. One sentence from that last link sums it up quite well $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')uppert is an expert at combining facts with unreliable reports and wild leaps of illogic.


On what account do you discredit him? That article you linked to seems pretty one sided in itself, aiming only to discredit Rupperts work. What event to you makes you think Ruppert is illogical, besides that one sided Ruppert-bashing internet link? Ruppert has been reliable many, many times. His work is very well documented and the proof is real. He has predicted economic problems correctly before they happened twice; before 9/11, and before the 2002 stock market decline. Unreliable reports? His reports are come from very reliable sources most of the time and they are very logical if your realm of knowledge includes Peak Oil. If you think a massive military response to Peak Oil is a wild leap of illogic then your mistaken. If you think planning an event which would lead a country into massive resource war's. I have doen a lot of research on this topic alone from Rupperts work and I have come to the conclusion that Ruppert is pretty precise in his claims, predictions and purpose.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i') haven't read the book but it's on my list to do so. though the fact that rupert was once in a insane asylum only makes me think it's just the rambleings of a person who is not running on all cylinders.


As I heard it he was requested to go into a insane asylum, but was released after a day in 'sane condition'. It only takes 3 people to claim someone is crazy and then they have to get checked out. As far as him not running on all cylinders I would have to disagree. I have read the book, as well as the sources he gives when he makes his claims. It is very well documented, and you should view his evidence before claiming it as 'rambleings'. Read the book, if you fail to believe what he says then read the evidence, if you fail to believe the evidence then find out for yourself and do your own research as to the claims that he makes. If you understand Peak Oil and the problems America is facing, and how little we can do about it, then you will understand the motives to the claims makes and it should make sense to you.
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Unread postby Chuck » Sat 22 Jan 2005, 09:07:27

More Problems with Mike Ruppert

http://kurtnimmo.com/blog/index.php?p=503

This piece is written by one of my favourite bloggers. I introduced him to PO, but he doesn't buy it. Hence maybe his attack on Ruppert (who is advising to buy gold/silver). Nonetheless, he makes some valid points.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t also makes Mike Ruppert look like something other than what he tells us he is. Some have even gone so far as to accuse Ruppert of sabotaging the 9/11 movement from within, a sort of post-COINTELPRO operation initiated by the government. I have no evidence of this. However, if the dog and pony show at Kane Hall is any indication, it would seem, more than anything, Mike Ruppert is a shameless huckster, more interested in selling books and forging a career than getting to the bottom on what really happened on September 11, 2001.
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Unread postby clv101 » Sat 22 Jan 2005, 09:20:30

If he doesn't buy into peak oil then I don't hold his other comments in very high regard.
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Unread postby Tuike » Mon 24 Jan 2005, 12:57:24

I've just finished reading the book.

English is not my mother tongue and I read the english version as there is not finnish version aviable. Matters are very complex what he says and I had much difficulty of grasping what he means.

If searching info about peak oil, then this is not a good book, because that subject is processed very lightly as the book concentrates on september's conspiracy. That U.S. leadership let Osama do his bidding on purpose, so that Usa could have good reason to start rampaging middle-east to fight for the last drop of oil. Osama, or was that remote controlled planes?
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Unread postby azur » Sun 06 Feb 2005, 16:18:43

Given that from start to end, Ruppert accuses Cheney of being the "maestro" behind 9/11, and devotes the whole book to providing evidence to try and back up that assertion, why does Cheney not sue Ruppert?
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Unread postby azur » Tue 08 Feb 2005, 16:06:48

Mike Ruppert kindly gave the reply today on the FTW website.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome years ago in the United States Supreme Court Larry Flynt won a case against Jerry Falwell that has protected our First Amendment to this day. That case enshrined our right to say critical and negative things about public figures, especially politicians, and it denied them the right to sue us little people for saying them. That decision made it impossible for Dick Cheney to sue me over Crossing the Rubicon, even after he leaves the White House. This is not the case in the UK as journalists labor under the constant threat of very expensive and prohibitive lawsuits where the only thing contested is the amount of money being thrown at lawyers.


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Unread postby mastroid » Tue 15 Feb 2005, 14:49:35

I read this book.

absolutely awesome and well written.

Anybody has information about mind control devices and how it is possible to ''hypnotise'' people remotely, using radiowaves frequencies ?

it is actually the most poignant and frightening aspect of the book, from my point of view.
some good info is available at :

http://www.raven1.net/
and
http://www.angelfire.com/or/mctrl/


anything else ?

thanks
this forum is great

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Unread postby Bandidoz » Wed 02 Mar 2005, 16:39:21

Very comprehensive and thus very long winded. It felt like a catalogue of Mike's FTW works. If you take Ruppert's position as gospel then you can skip a lot of the quotations held within the book, as they do drag on.

For me the most interesting aspects were about how "money works", microbiology, and the "phone call from the FAA to his brother in the South Tower".

As I was reading I couldn't help but think, "OK Mike, what do you think's coming next?"

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