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Would the Native Americans have screwed up as royally?

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America wasn't screwed up
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Re: 42% of Native American women were steralised

Unread postby OilIsMastery » Sat 22 Sep 2007, 23:00:35

And yet you support abortion.
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Re: 42% of Native American women were steralised

Unread postby Jack » Sat 22 Sep 2007, 23:36:29

Eugenics isn't a bad thing. In fact, a good spay and neuter program would have a most salutory effect.
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Re: 42% of Native American women were steralised

Unread postby jboogy » Sat 22 Sep 2007, 23:42:16

I find pregnant women very attractive . Is this wicked of me ?
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Re: 42% of Native American women were steralised

Unread postby Morpheus » Sun 23 Sep 2007, 01:16:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'E')ugenics isn't a bad thing. In fact, a good spay and neuter program would have a most salutory effect.

Him just nothing but good ole fun now isn't him? Isnt him special yes him is,yes him is..... wonder how him will feel when it is he and his that are getting sterilized or worse and I hope him feel just as good then as he do now yes I do yes I do 8)

True ugly colors here people. Take a good look at your malthusian guides through the maze that is Peak oil.
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Re: 42% of Native American women were steralised

Unread postby Jack » Sun 23 Sep 2007, 01:48:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Morpheus', 'w')onder how him will feel when it is he and his that are getting sterilized

He will feel very good indeed. For you see, I detest children. 8)
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Re: 42% of Native American women were steralised

Unread postby Morpheus » Sun 23 Sep 2007, 01:59:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Morpheus', 'w')onder how him will feel when it is he and his that are getting sterilized

He will feel very good indeed. For you see, I detest children. 8)

If only your parents felt the same and your mother suffered from fatal munchhausen syndrome I wouldnt have to be wasting my time pointing out the obvious.
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Re: 42% of Native American women were steralised

Unread postby Jack » Sun 23 Sep 2007, 06:07:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Morpheus', 'I')f only your parents felt the same and your mother suffered from fatal munchhausen syndrome I wouldnt have to be wasting my time pointing out the obvious.

Alas, life is never simple, is it? No matter how much we might wish to change the past, we remain unable to modify it in the least.
It's really too bad the sterilization program wasn't carried out more broadly - say, on all those under IQ 100. That would, by definition, be 50% of the population. We just might be able to shift the distribution curve to the right.
Oh, well. Perhaps the incipient die-off of Peak Oil will purify the gene pool. It just goes to show that every cloud has a silver lining.
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Re: 42% of Native American women were steralised

Unread postby Jack » Sun 23 Sep 2007, 08:47:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'S')o you suggest we eliminate everyone below an IQ of 100.
Who the fuck is going to do all the serf and grunt work?

You bring up a good point. So, perhaps we should plan on two populatons - one, highly intelligent, and the other strong, submissive, and less intelligent.
Works for me. Eugenics at its finest! 8)
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Re: 42% of Native American women were sterilized

Unread postby Madpaddy » Sun 23 Sep 2007, 15:36:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'Y')ou bring up a good point. So, perhaps we should plan on two populatons - one, highly intelligent, and the other strong, submissive, and less intelligent.

Hmmm, "A Brave New World".
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Re: 42% of Native American women were sterilized

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 23 Sep 2007, 16:03:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '4')2% of Native American women were sterilized

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Re: 42% of Native American women were sterilized

Unread postby Jack » Sun 23 Sep 2007, 21:27:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Madpaddy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'Y')ou bring up a good point. So, perhaps we should plan on two populatons - one, highly intelligent, and the other strong, submissive, and less intelligent.

Hmmm, "A Brave New World".

Yes, just a simplified version. They have five levels, I use two.
That said...why on Earth is sterilization such an issue? Those who are too poor to support excess children, those with genetic disorders, and those with certain other issues don't need to be replicated - particularly during a period of overshoot.
But I suppose I've forgotten. Humanity has the IQ of a yeast colony - so reproducing is what they're about.
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Re: 42% of Native American women were sterilized

Unread postby Jack » Mon 24 Sep 2007, 08:05:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'T')he world's most profound symbols are about fertility Jack.

Yeah? Or is it just that humankind is fixated on the subject?
Another shared attribute for humans and yeast cells. Except yeast cells are more efficient. :roll:
And we wonder why we have an overshoot problem. Per golem, humanity sits around contemplating its genitalia, draws up some pictures, and calls them profound. He's probably onto something.
I think I shall now add a new racial slur to my repertoire.
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Re: 42% of Native American women were sterilized

Unread postby dukey » Mon 24 Sep 2007, 09:10:22

i'm surprised people weren't disgusted by this
these people were singled out and steralised, most of the time without their knowledge.

If it was black people they did this too ? Would people give a crap ?
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Re: 42% of Native American women were sterilized

Unread postby Jack » Mon 24 Sep 2007, 10:16:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'W')atch this profound children's video. ...
In the video above ... the part where the earth opens up and consumes the clay lifeforms, is probably very close to a truth folks.
8O

Mark Twain did the original story - although this seems to follow the plot reasonably well.
Now if, as you assert, this is close to the truth, then there is no right or wrong, thus making Pol Pot and Mother Theresa morally equivalent.
I could like this. 8)
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Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US

Unread postby kabu » Thu 20 Dec 2007, 16:49:15

Oh, this should be good: :lol:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States, leaders said Wednesday.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us," long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.

A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.

They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free -- provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.

The treaties signed with the United States are merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.

The treaties have been "repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life," the reborn freedom movement says.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution," which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent," said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row," Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children," Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The US "annexation" of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people," said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies -- less than 44 years -- in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 percent above the norm for the United States; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.

"Our people want to live, not just survive or crawl and be mascots," said Young.

"We are not trying to embarrass the United States. We are here to continue the struggle for our children and grandchildren," she said, predicting that the battle would not be won in her lifetime.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Descendan ... _1220.html
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Re: Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from

Unread postby Ferretlover » Thu 20 Dec 2007, 16:56:06

Does this mean they no longer qualify for welfare and food stamps?
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Re: Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from

Unread postby kabu » Thu 20 Dec 2007, 17:03:27

If that's what the treaties gave them.
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Re: Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 20 Dec 2007, 17:26:40

I hope they can pull it off .... should get interesting.
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Re: Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from

Unread postby kabu » Thu 20 Dec 2007, 17:43:29

Yeah, I hope so to.
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Re: Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from

Unread postby pup55 » Thu 20 Dec 2007, 17:55:36

Could be bad if your bug-out place is in Sturgis.

Could also be bad if your bug-out place is anywhere that is subject to one of these treaties, such as, for example, any of the other 49 states.

Lesson: As long as lawyers are around, there is always some question as to who "owns" any piece of real estate.
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