$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'T')he reason why Americans don't have fun is because we use the earth. We are NEVER content. NEVER happy always wanting more and more and more.
This is not the way we use to be. We use to have a relationship with the earth. We use to be a part of the community of the living a species with an integral connection with the earth.
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has the S*** finally hit?
Re: has the S*** finally hit?
by roccman » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 19:22:01
?"this is not the way we use[sic] to be"? Is capitalism, et al, a means to an end in and of itself, creating depraved, soul-less beings, or is it simply a magnified manifestation of our true nature?
Looking at the history of mankind, it seems reasonably clear to me that, given the choice, humans have always steered towards self-interest.
I think that before the advent of agriculture some 10,000 years ago humans were an integral part of nature.
We did not use nature to grow our food...nature grew our food.
With the advent of agriculture and a use relationship with nature came inequities and the rise of slef interest and the whole "progress and any cost" scam...that gave rise to villages that gave rise to towns...that gace rise to cities - civilization was born...but cities by definition have exceeded their carrying capacity and require the importation of resources to survive...thus cities are not sustainable.
Before cities (i.e., civilization) humans were a part of the living community of nature...then we walled out nature.
This is why people in industrialized parts of the planet are crazed and unhappy.
We want back a lost relationship with nature.
"There must be a bogeyman; there always is, and it cannot be something as esoteric as "resource depletion." You can't go to war with that." Emersonbiggins
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?
by Daculling » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 19:22:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')Only an unfeeling society could build the sort of world we now have, which stomps on individuals and nature in the name of greater power and profits.
')Only an unfeeling society could build the sort of world we now have, which stomps on individuals and nature in the name of greater power and profits.
Spock says...
It [being a Vulcan] means to adopt a philosophy, a way of life which is logical and beneficial. We cannot disregard that philosophy merely for personal gain, no matter how important that gain might be.
It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.
After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.
On my planet "to rest" is to rest, to cease using energy. To me it is quite illogical to run up and down on green grass using energy instead of saving it.
Are you sure it isn't time for a "colourful metaphor"?
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?
by mos6507 » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 19:42:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'T')he shit hit the fan 10,000 years ago with the advent of agriculture..
If that's what you think, why aren't you living in a cave somewhere instead of posting on the internet?
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