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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Twilight » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 17:18:23

Anger is what you will see at gas stations. It is a reaction born of ignorance, not understanding. People will get angry, and you will be able to pick up and use their stuff afterwards.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 17:18:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')ll of us here are mentally prepared and have done a lot of preps, practically speaking. We are profoundly lucky, in that regard. People will not immediately start rioting in the streets. Many neighbourhood vigilante protection groups will immediately form , at the onset of crisis. Strangely, you may find your neighbourhood becomes more rather than less safe.


I strongly disagree, friend T-bear. Those who think they are prepared will find that they are not. As for the rest, remember Katrina---just the barest taste of things to come. As soon as the law-enforcement structure breaks down, animals will emerge from the woodwork the likes of which you've never seen.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Ferretlover » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 18:11:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'L')udi, please explain for me or be more specific: "Now What?" Are you asking what You should do next? Or, what You should feel now?



People seem to be lecturing me to be angry (like I need encouragement to be angry).
Now What do we DO?
This is all just TALK! All just lecturing, advising, condescension.
What ACTION do you all propose we take now if we are angry? Ok? NEOPO, where is the god damn revolution? Huh? Where is it?

Stop telling me it's important to be angry, stop explaining to me oh so patiently that anger is good, we should be angry, where's the revolution without anger!
I'm plenty angry, now what do you want to DO with it?
What do you want to DO?
Understand?


Ludi, play fairly! YOU SAID if I didn't understand something you had said, to ask you to explain it further.....
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 21:12:07

Having read the scenarios that a depression will throw up, sure I don't doubt that any recession/depression that looks to be round the corner will be the issue.

The hard times will be when the Global Market tries to recover from a recession, and find that there isn't the means to create a boom after bust.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Homesteader » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 21:25:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I')t would be better if people got angry now, while there may still be a little time to channel those emotions to head off the worst disasters, than later on, in food riots.



What should they DO to head off the worst disasters?


Ludi's question really is THE question.

I've read about towns in the UK relocalizing. I've been looking into it recently here in NC and joined a peak oil group that meets in the Durham area. I found the group by googling "North Carolina Peak Oil".
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Daculling » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 21:56:06

Emotion is your enemy.

Emotion is generally regarded by Western civilization as the antithesis of reason.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 22:30:08

And we can see where "Western civilization's" emotion-rejection has led us. To disaster.

Emotions like love, empathy, and appropriate anger are what make us human. By rejecting them we end up with the cold, inflexible, selfish, murderous, cud-chewing society we have today.

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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 22:41:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'L')udi, I don't believe there can be collective reaction to this impending crisis because a) it is too late (Hirsch), b) folks want to be in denial, and c) there is no way for us to predict how it will play out. It'll be different in different burbs, as is the nature of localization.

We have a built a fun society (for the majority of americans) based on cheap petroleum and it is going away. The country will probably continue to war against those who have stuff we want. I guess at one time it would have been possible to write our congresspeople and the newspaper and warn folks. But who knew?

I guess continuing to discuss the issue intelligently and positively here at PO is the best that we can do.


I agree with most of this, pstarr. I think the future will be one of greater fragmentation and the demise of the mass society. A mass society is utterly dependent on cheap energy, especially for transportation.

I don't agree that we have built a fun society for most Americans. I don't think most Americans are having much fun. I think most of us have lost access to real fun. Those trips to Mexico they win on "Wheel of Fortune"? The reality is agonizing airport experiences, hastily prepared plastic food masquerading as "gourmet," beaches covered with plastic waste and invaded by the occasional beggar who gets through the barbed-wire barricades, mechanical entertainment, waiters and hotel attendants who loathe you, cabbies who cheat the pants off you, being bussed around en masse with other vulgar tourists to monuments tourism and pollution are destroying. Not much fun.

For that matter, it isn't at all fun being fat, which most Americans now are.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby roccman » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 22:54:33

The reason why Americans don't have fun is because we use the earth. We are NEVER content. NEVER happy always wanting more and more and more.

This is not the way we use to be. We use to have a relationship with the earth. We use to be a part of the community of the living a species with an integral connection with the earth.

Even the wealthiest of Americans are insane miserable creatures. Drunk, addicted to sex, food, drugs, travel, shopping.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby emailking » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 22:58:14

I'm American and definitely having fun right now. Most fun in my life so far. I will continue as long as it's possible.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 23:10:01

"Furniture, are you fun?"

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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Heineken » Sun 09 Sep 2007, 23:13:06

Get behind that curtain of redwoods and all problems go away, and stay away! Sing, kuckoo!
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby wisconsin_cur » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 02:06:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'A')nd we can see where "Western civilization's" emotion-rejection has led us. To disaster.

Emotions like love, empathy, and appropriate anger are what make us human. By rejecting them we end up with the cold, inflexible, selfish, murderous, cud-chewing society we have today.

Big Brother is doing a great job.


Really? I don't met that many rationale people; they seem mostly driven by their desires and there emotions. Wouldn't a rationalist culture say, I don't know, conserve non-renewable resources?

An emotional one lives to met the desires of the day and disregards the future.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby manu » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 02:17:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '[')url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotion]Emotion[/url] is your enemy.

Emotion is generally regarded by Western civilization as the antithesis of reason.



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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 09:34:06

I was starting to think of Spock, but you beat me to it, manu.

Rejecting emotion confers some advantages but also comes at a cost.

Cur, it's obviously true that many people are extremely emotional (often in negative, irrational ways). I was referring not so much to individuals as to our society, the "corporate person." Think of our institutions: government, business, the law, the news media, medicine, even religion. They tend to reject all emotion or to favor only certain stylized, carefully delimited emotions.

Only an unfeeling society could build the sort of world we now have, which stomps on individuals and nature in the name of greater power and profits.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 12:44:13

There are people who are emotionally brilliant. Though intelligence and emotion are generally held to be separate, and interfering with one another. A highly developed intellect will never reach it's full potential without a corresponding evolution of the emotions. I don't think a person can be emotionally brilliant, either, without an intellect that is at least partially developed. I notice a lot of really stupid people have a really stupid emotional set too.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby Ferretlover » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 13:41:30

I second that emotion.
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Re: has the S*** finally hit?

Unread postby jdmartin » Mon 10 Sep 2007, 19:11:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'T')he reason why Americans don't have fun is because we use the earth. We are NEVER content. NEVER happy always wanting more and more and more.

This is not the way we use to be. We use to have a relationship with the earth. We use to be a part of the community of the living a species with an integral connection with the earth.


?"this is not the way we use[sic] to be"? Is capitalism, et al, a means to an end in and of itself, creating depraved, soul-less beings, or is it simply a magnified manifestation of our true nature?

Looking at the history of mankind, it seems reasonably clear to me that, given the choice, humans have always steered towards self-interest.
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