[phaeryen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '
')
the financial state of the economy is nothing to do with peak oil

[TheTurtle]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'E')xplain how expressing anger on a messageboard is going to help anything.

[Ferretlover]

One could suppose that if one did not occassionally get angry about the future determined by the loss of FFs, that one does not Really understand what is going to happen.
Anger is a physical symptom of the adjustments that have to be made to survive peak and post peak oil mentally.
There is NO getting around the benefits that we have all received, directly or indirectly from petroleum and that we are in the process of losing.

"If oil cost only 15$ a barrel do you think the economic emergency would be so severe? more over, do you think there would be all this war over remaining resources, which costs a lot of $$$ to maintain, if oil was everywhere and plentiful?
Do you think the US would have such an amount of national debt if they could still export oil and satiate all of their own oil needs with domestic production?"

Oil, or the lack thereof, is not the only reason for the economic mess in which the US has gotten itsself. There are many contributors to the "Perfect Global Storm" that has started-overpopulation, disease, failing food resources, expensive unnecessary military actions...

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'O')ne could suppose that if one did not occassionally get angry about the future determined by the loss of FFs, that one does not Really understand what is going to happen.
Anger is a physical symptom of the adjustments that have to be made to survive peak and post peak oil mentally.
There is NO getting around the benefits that we have all received, directly or indirectly from petroleum and that we are in the process of losing.

"If oil cost only 15$ a barrel do you think the economic emergency would be so severe? more over, do you think there would be all this war over remaining resources, which costs a lot of $$$ to maintain, if oil was everywhere and plentiful?
Do you think the US would have such an amount of national debt if they could still export oil and satiate all of their own oil needs with domestic production?"

Oil, or the lack thereof, is not the only reason for the economic mess in which the US has gotten itsself. There are many contributors to the "Perfect Global Storm" that has started-overpopulation, disease, failing food resources, expensive unnecessary military actions...

[Ludi]

As frickin' usual the frickin' point is missed! What GOOD does it do to get angry? So you get angry, so I get angry, so what? Whoopty do we get angry. Fanfuckintastic! We're all angry! Proving we all understand "what is going to happen"! Now what?

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')s frickin' usual the frickin' point is missed! What GOOD does it do to get angry? So you get angry, so I get angry, so what? Whoopty do we get angry. Fanfuckintastic! We're all angry! Proving we all understand "what is going to happen"! Now what?

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')s frickin' usual the frickin' point is missed! What GOOD does it do to get angry? So you get angry, so I get angry, so what? Whoopty do we get angry. Fanfuckintastic! We're all angry! Proving we all understand "what is going to happen"! Now what?

[Daculling]

You all need to watch "On The Beach". When all hope is gone, the only thing left to do is fly around in a helicopter and screw your best friend's wife.

What stage is that? Acceptance/Hope Turtle? I suggest a further stage... resignation/release.

It seems those that know not what we do have achieved that state. Some here have too. Most loath it though.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'E')xplain how expressing anger on a messageboard is going to help anything.


I can express plenty of anger, but it just makes me look like a raving loon.


How will getting angry help anything? (Except help raise your bloodpressure)

[NEOPO]

Dac - I believe I am in two stages at once. Nope not bi polar. Maybe even many stages at once...

On one hand I am grounded and still wanton to change things yet on another I realize that this is all an illusion and temporary. There is even a part of me that says "bring it on" no matter what "it" may be.

I doubt few here have went to the lengths I have in order to promote change and to also make drastic change on a personal level. Heck, few here could say that they have done what I have done to simply raise awareness with family and friends etc etc.

Certainly some have gone farther and done more yet they are few and far between.

Yet all the while, through my up's and down's, triumphs and failure's I have maintained a faith that surpasses all religion.

I hope more can join me in this duality, an eternal spirit yet still very very human in this existence.

As the shit hits the fan we are going to see many losing their freaking minds, unable to believe or unable to adapt etc etc...
On one hand I wish it were not occurring yet on another I kinda knew it would come to this.

I do dislike those that have done nothing but whine yet they are still one up on the sheeple.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'Y')ou all need to watch "On The Beach". When all hope is gone, the only thing left to do is fly around in a helicopter and screw your best friend's wife.

What stage is that? Acceptance/Hope Turtle? I suggest a further stage... resignation/release.

It seems those that know not what we do have achieved that state. Some here have too. Most loath it though.

[Heineken]

The board might be interested in these comments by my brother (the former president of a significant Nasdaq-listed company) in an e-mail to me. Not much new here, but he has a certain way of putting things:

"In the last two months or so, there has been a dramatic contraction in the amount of credit available to the real estate market. This is going to lead to a recession, led by inevitable deep declines in housing prices, since less money will be chasing more and more unsold houses, especially as the foreclosure rate zooms. The entire consumer economy has run on fuel provided by the appreciation of prices and the creation of credit on the basis of that appreciation and on the expectation of continued appreciation. This process is now running in reverse. The Fed will start lowering interest rates shortly; however, this will not change the fundamental problem. The real-estate run-up was the last hurrah of the baby boom. Ultimately, the problems we will experience are related to the aging of that vast generational bulge."

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '
')BTW, I do not recall any helicopter scene or adultery in the movie, and I've seen it three or four times.

[Revi]

I think the s*** is hitting slowly. It is starting with the real estate market, moving into finance and will spread out into the big boxes and other retail. I think that this christmas season won't be a particularly merry one, and next spring won't see many housing starts. By next summer we'll be in a full blown recession. The only good thing is that with all the trucks repo'ed and all the jet skis idled we may not use as much oil. Maybe.

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ') We're all angry! Proving we all understand "what is going to happen"! Now what?

[mmasters]

Yeah it's hitting - just in slow motion.

Remember that movie the matrix when the bullets just seem to stop in mid-air.

Imagine turds instead of bullets.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'R')emember that movie the matrix when the bullets just seem to stop in mid-air.

Imagine turds instead of bullets.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'R')emember that movie the matrix when the bullets just seem to stop in mid-air.

Imagine turds instead of bullets.

[Homesteader]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'A')s frickin' usual the frickin' point is missed! What GOOD does it do to get angry? So you get angry, so I get angry, so what? Whoopty do we get angry. Fanfuckintastic! We're all angry! Proving we all understand "what is going to happen"! Now what?