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Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

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What do you think will happen?

Poll ended at Sun 17 Apr 2005, 16:12:50

It is impossible to know because the premise could be wrong. URR is not known and speculation at this stage is futile
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Your premise is wrong. Campbell and others have been wrong many times before and they are likely to be wrong again
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Some other event (terrorism, major US recession) is likely to kick in before we hit the production peak, thereby pushing out the peak date
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Energy prices will rise to a high enough level as to spur a huge push to alternates. More questionable reserves will be exploited and demand will be forced to stay in check with supply
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Energy prices will rise at significant rates, which in conjunction with other factors (such as raising interest rates) will lead to a significant global recession
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Energy prices will rise at hyper inflated rates leading to a depression
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Once the cat is out of the bag (PO well known), all hell breaks loose as countries scramble for resources.
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Total votes : 50

Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 01:27:44

"I'm doin' fine, so fuck you" is the essence of American culture. It's found everywhere. The only places it's not found is in deeply religious and isolated communities like the Amish or those crazy hicks who dance with snakes, and among recent immigrants who havn't fully internalized the "fuck you" values of the Empire - although their kids will end up completely Americanized and utterly predatory and useless.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 26 Apr 2007, 02:10:12

The 60s credo of "Do your own thing" is still good advice. In a free society some will see the Peak Oil problems coming down the pike and will plan for it and some won't.

Time will tell who is right.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 04 May 2007, 13:09:02

The Dutch are coming up with innovative solutions for what to drive after the PO crunch.

http://workcycles.com/workbike/

These are a perfect solution for Holland, as it is a little tiny very flat country.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Revi » Fri 04 May 2007, 14:28:01

It looks like 2007/08 will be the beginning of real problems around here, anyway. The budgets just won't budge. The town, state and Federal budgets are all tightening. It's going to get ugly. They always end up blaming it on the welfare cheats, but it looks like a lot of people are going ot be hurt by this next winter's energy costs, either directly or indirectly.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 14 May 2007, 02:18:54

World gas prices will jump again in 2008

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/In ... ussia.aspx

Russia will continue to seize oil fields that they had contracted to develop jointly with western companies.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Revi » Mon 14 May 2007, 14:16:51

It looks like the winter of our discontent will be this next one. 2008 won't be much fun. I liked peak oil much more when it was just an academic exercise. It's getting way too real lately.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby mlit » Mon 14 May 2007, 14:43:33

I filled up this morning for low grade at 3.59 which sucks but I'm betting that it wont be long that I look back at the price as nice.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Plantagenet » Mon 14 May 2007, 14:59:08

Gas is still about $2.50 here in Alaska, but for some reason the same gas costs a lot more after it is delivered to the US west coast.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Revi » Tue 15 May 2007, 09:08:18

Why is gas only $2.50 in Alaska? It seems like it should be more there. It's $2.82 in Houston, Texas. That's about as close to the refineries as you can get. What's up? We're paying $3 around here.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 15 May 2007, 14:22:29

Usually everything is more expensive in Alaska. I've been amazed that our gas prices haven't been higher.

The current high prices in the lower 48 are ascribed to refinery shortages rather then supply shortages, i.e. the refineries are not quite keeping up with the growing demand. Maybe thats actually true.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Plantagenet » Tue 15 May 2007, 14:24:00

Gas hits new record average high in US

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070514/oil_prices.html?.v=8

Caused by shortages at refineries.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby PrairieMule » Sun 02 Sep 2007, 20:20:19

$2.59 a gallon here in Dallas.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 02 Sep 2007, 20:22:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '$')2.59 a gallon here in Dallas.
About half the price of a pint of bourbon.
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby PrairieMule » Sun 02 Sep 2007, 20:28:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '$')2.59 a gallon here in Dallas.
Half the price of a pint of bourbon.


Still mighty cheap when you consider the cost of "flying". I tend to stick to the Plus grades (Knob creek or Maker's Mark)
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 02 Sep 2007, 20:34:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', '$')2.59 a gallon here in Dallas.
Half the price of a pint of bourbon.


Still mighty cheap when you consider the cost of "flying". I tend to stick to the Plus grades (Knob creek or Maker's Mark)
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Plantagenet » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 23:12:57

Oil Prices near record high price, US gas inventories very low

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e0c39c78-5ca7 ... fd2ac.html

I think we still have a decent chance of seeing $4/gallon gasoline prices in the US this year, especially if there are additional US-Iran or Israel-Syria military incidents. 8)
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Revi » Fri 07 Sep 2007, 09:30:35

I hope the price of oil is within the abilities of the poor to pay. Here's an article on Liheap from Maine. Already one oil dealer isn't going to sell to Liheap customers. 2007/2008 could be the winter of our discontent.

http://www.mainelincolncountynews.com/i ... m?ID=20328
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Revi » Fri 07 Sep 2007, 09:30:35

I hope the price of oil is within the abilities of the poor to pay. Here's an article on Liheap from Maine. Already one oil dealer isn't going to sell to Liheap customers. 2007/2008 could be the winter of our discontent.

http://www.mainelincolncountynews.com/i ... m?ID=20328
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 07 Sep 2007, 22:40:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'I') hope the price of oil is within the abilities of the poor to pay.


Folks who are pinched by the high energy costs now are only going to be hit even harder as energy prices move up in coming years. Thats what peak oil is all about. 8)
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Re: Energy costs and ramifications Post 2007/2008

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 16 Sep 2007, 12:08:17

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