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THE Uranium Supply Thread pt 4 (merged)

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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby gnm » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 13:12:23

Regarding coal emissions I would be a lot more worried about the methyl mercury being released than any uranium.

So if they weren't using DU for the bullets they could use lead. Because lead dust isn't dangerous or persistent in the environment right?
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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby golem » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 13:45:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', ' ')uranium naturally eject alpha particle which cannot be measured by geiger counter because even air blocks it.



If air stops an alpha particle, how dangerous is alpha decay from uranium?

HINT: Don't eat uranium. :roll:


DUH air blocks the reading...not the silent damage.

Like an 'alpha' particle, a very small particle of asbestos that lodges itself in your lung causing death 20, 30 years later...

Have you been eating Uranium.

Another symptom of DU is delusions....

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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby golem » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 13:45:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', ' ')uranium naturally eject alpha particle which cannot be measured by geiger counter because even air blocks it.



If air stops an alpha particle, how dangerous is alpha decay from uranium?

HINT: Don't eat uranium. :roll:


DUH air blocks the reading...not the silent damage.

Like an 'alpha' particle, a very small particle of asbestos that lodges itself in your lung causing death 20, 30 years later...

Have you been eating Uranium?

Another symptom of DU is delusions....

ciao

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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby golem » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 13:46:28

delete$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ferrelgiraffe', ' ')uranium naturally eject alpha particle which cannot be measured by geiger counter because even air blocks it.



If air stops an alpha particle, how dangerous is alpha decay from uranium?

HINT: Don't eat uranium. :roll:


DUH air blocks the reading...not the silent damage.

Like an 'alpha' particle, a very small particle of asbestos that lodges itself in your lung causing death 20, 30 years later...

Have you been eating Uranium?

Another symptom of DU is delusions....

ciao

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3 of the same posts ... maybe I am DelUsional?
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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby davep » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 13:58:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'D')UH air blocks the reading...not the silent damage.

Like an 'alpha' particle, a very small particle of asbestos that lodges itself in your lung causing death 20, 30 years later...

Have you been eating Uranium.

Another symptom of DU is delusions....


Actually, alpha particles don't lodge in the lungs, they are emitted by radioactive materials that could be lodged in the lungs. The particles themselves decay easily once emitted, due to their large mass. They're evil buggers
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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby gnm » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 14:04:51

Don't start hyperventilating I never said DU wasn't toxic but I damn sure would want a moon suit around lead dust or mercury. DU is excreted from the body more easily than lead or mercury as well. Focusing on it because of the oh so scary sounding radiation does not change the fact that mercury is significantly more dangerous and lead is a lot harder to get out of your system - as well as being a nasty toxin.

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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 14:23:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'D')UH air blocks the reading...not the silent damage.
...



You really don't understand anything scientific or technical, do you?

Air stops alpha particles. When they stop moving they can't damage anything. The reason there is no "reading" is that the particle was stopped by air and never even reached the detector.* If the particle isn't moving and only hit air then there was no "silent damage". The alpha particle's energy was absorbed by interactions with particles in the air and it stopped without damaging anything. Get it? :-D


*Many radiation detectors can't measure alpha particles very well anyway because the detector itself is encased in glass that stops the particles. :roll:
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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby golem » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 14:36:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', ' ')
Actually, alpha particles don't lodge in the lungs, they are emitted by radioactive materials that could be lodged in the lungs. The particles themselves decay easily once emitted, due to their large mass. They're evil buggers


Wrong again. :oops:

But kinda right.

It is essentially meant to be an airborne pathogen. And I use the term pathogen loosely...the evil have not altered there ways.
Smallpox laced blankets traded with the natives, agent orange in Vietnam, mustard gas in WWI, Gulf War syndrome, do you see a patten ... DU are AIRBORNE 'pathogens' delivered by the US AIR Force.
:twisted:
And as we ALL know, AIRBORNE pathogens are the worst, the ones we fear the most... 8O

The evil buggers who support buggery in Abu Gharib love this kind of armament to battle the Shite shit.

Fissile toilet paper.
Just another veil to be used to control the masses....

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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 14:39:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'I')t is essentially an airborne pathogen



Nope. Alpha particles aren't airborne pathogens. Guess again. :P
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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby golem » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 14:52:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('golem', 'I')t is essentially an airborne pathogen



Nope. Alpha particles aren't airborne pathogens. Guess again. :P


I did say I used the term 'pathogen' loosely Plantman.

Let me simplify my above post for the dummy who needs everything spelled out for him ... the intent by the US Military Complex was to find something AIRBORNE and invisible that kills.

SIMPLE WAR PLAN ...

The body count and misery will go on for decades.

I am curious, why do you spend so much time disputing facts?
What's it in for ewe?
Do you own stock in companies that rape and pillage?
Are you a patriot missile off course?
Are ewe a righteous American, your duty to be a praetorian guard?

I can understand all of the wackos with their wacko theories, like myself ranting and raving, but why do ewe even bother?

The silent answer speaks volumes.

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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby basil_hayden » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 15:05:50

Raph babbles anyway, but even more so when you hold your feet to the fire. He asks why you dispute facts, yet he can't seem to present a fact to save his ass, just more speculation than a working man could possibly generate. Get a job already, Raph.

Like lead and golem's cranium, uranium is dense; that's why it's used in ammo, not because the military wanted an invisible killer, LOFL....
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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby golem » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 15:30:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'R')aph babbles anyway, but even more so when you hold your feet to the fire. He asks why you dispute facts, yet he can't seem to present a fact to save his ass, just more speculation than a working man could possibly generate. Get a job already, Raph.

Like lead and golem's cranium, uranium is dense; that's why it's used in ammo, not because the military wanted an invisible killer, LOFL....


Basil on the advice of a much higher authority I have decided to start a new thread called Raphael's and Golem's Cheery Chiral Reflections.
It will be a thread I can utilize from time to time where I can redirect the many comments tossed in my direction by the mis-informed supporting the uniformed.

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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby Daculling » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 20:30:30

Testing alpha particles.

This is how you observe alpha radiation.

Spinthariscope

I have a spinthariscope from one of these sets courtesy of my father (he acquired it in the 50's as a child). I does not seem to work anymore as maybe the zinc oxide is depleted... radium half live is like 1600 years so I think that is still active. I keep it in a metal box in the basement. :)

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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby Plantagenet » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 20:39:58

That was a very interesting link to the Spinthariscope.

Of course, this raises the spectre of another paranoid fear for the folks who are already trembling due the presence of Uranium in coal and alpha particles being released by DU.

Smoke dectectors are based on the same technology as spinthariscopes, and contain radioactive elements. Thats right. Almost every house and business and apartment building and school contains smoke detectors which are radioactive.

radioactivity in your home smoke detector!!!!!

I guess people who live in radioactive houses shouldn't pretend their environment is free of alpha particles.... :P
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Re: Testing alpha particles.

Unread postby Daculling » Wed 05 Sep 2007, 21:36:39

The radioactive boyscout used Americanium as well as radium in his breeder reactor.

These things are not dangerous unless concentrated. I suggest peoples that are concerned with these small amounts of radioactive materials throw out their microwave ovens and shun the sun. Good luck to you all.
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Re: Uranium Supply

Unread postby M_B_S » Thu 06 Sep 2007, 02:49:39

Peak U

Yes

Look here

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and here

world production is in decline ~5% in 2006 despite record prices

http://www.wise-uranium.org/umaps.html
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Re: Uranium Supply

Unread postby mkwin » Fri 07 Sep 2007, 07:04:18

You can hardly infer a trend from a one year decline in production volumes.
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Re: Uranium Supply

Unread postby padisah » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 10:47:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('M_B_S', 'P')eak U

Yes

Look here


world production is in decline ~5% in 2006 despite record prices



peak theory includes that investments are following the price change, and 2years in the mining industry not necceserily enough for the investments to start, and even to start them produce

actually, due to the huge energy density the uranium has, there are much higher prices are still aceptable for energy production, so even if uranium price goes up to 300 or 1000 dollar /kg it is still feasible to produce enery from that, especially if the alternativ energy sources (fossile here) have a faster price growth
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Re: Uranium Supply

Unread postby padisah » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 10:54:19

I already wrote it into another topic, which remained unanswered:

what about space uranium mining? The meteorites has a much larger uranium (and other expensive rare materials) pmm than granite here on earth

and the moon's surface is actually covered with meteorite pieces, after all all we need is a working transportation system from
moon-> earth, a safe atmosfere entry process, and robots that can mine it, using photovoltaic

we can in a far future also send automatic ships, that can install themselves on meteorites, and use their own propulsion system, to drive them to earth or moon orbit - moon orbit is more safer, which are then perfect sources of energy
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Re: Uranium Supply

Unread postby mkwin » Wed 19 Sep 2007, 12:56:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('padisah', 'I') already wrote it into another topic, which remained unanswered:

what about space uranium mining? The meteorites has a much larger uranium (and other expensive rare materials) pmm than granite here on earth

and the moon's surface is actually covered with meteorite pieces, after all all we need is a working transportation system from
moon-> earth, a safe atmosfere entry process, and robots that can mine it, using photovoltaic

we can in a far future also send automatic ships, that can install themselves on meteorites, and use their own propulsion system, to drive them to earth or moon orbit - moon orbit is more safer, which are then perfect sources of energy


I am not an expert but I would expect that mining asteriods would be cost and energy prohibitive.

There is plenty of uranium on earth to support a significant increase in nuclear power and to maintain it.

On a side note, the spot price just fell to $85.
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