[Aedo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('methofuel', 'T')hanks guys. This platinum catalyst in the PEM fuel cells could well be the main hurdle, but I vaguely remember someone mentioned about nano-catalyst. Have they tried nano-catalyst?

What about other fuel cells that dont need platinum catalyst?

[methofuel]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aedo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('methofuel', 'T')hanks guys. This platinum catalyst in the PEM fuel cells could well be the main hurdle, but I vaguely remember someone mentioned about nano-catalyst. Have they tried nano-catalyst?

What about other fuel cells that dont need platinum catalyst?

[Aedo]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('methofuel', 'T')he Advanced Nanotechnology Limited website introduces Ceria as an alternative catalyst, saying "Ceria is ideal for applications such as Environmental/auto catalysts, MCP slurries, Fuel Cells and Transparent abrasion/UV resistant coatings. Particle sizes available: 5-10 nm, 20 nm, 50 nm"

[J-Rod]

Some interesting data on fuel cell testing in the near future, as well as expected outputs of said technology.

Of course, this part kinda stuck out for me:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')art of the problem, Lim said, is that such things take time. "When you talk to a scientist, he thinks it's done when the prototype is done. But that's a long way from getting it to people like you and me," he said.

[billybell88]

Nissan aims to launch fuel-cell vehicle in early 2010s

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/n ... 8C6ADBE%7D

[tmazanec1]

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=71847

[Windmills]

Hm. So they're using some source of energy to make electricity to make hydrogen and then use the hydrogen to make electricity for use in the house? I must be mistaken, or that makes no sense financially or energetically and is just a government subsidized program trying to create a market where there is none.

[Sheb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Windmills', 'H')m. So they're using some source of energy to make electricity to make hydrogen and then use the hydrogen to make electricity for use in the house? I must be mistaken, or that makes no sense financially or energetically and is just a government subsidized program trying to create a market where there is none.

[kuidaskassikaeb]

I think, looking at the temperatures used, that they may be making a solid oxide fuel cell. Those don't need hydrogen and could run on any flamable gas. They exist now, but need some work on the electrodes to make them feasible as generators. However, they will not work on water.

[Aedo]

Looks like some journalist has gotten the wrong end of the stick - what a surprise!

Reading between the lines it is likely to be a micro-CHP system based on a PEM fuel cell system with a natural gas reformer (these have been tested in Japan). Essentially the reformer operates at 750 - 800 degrees and splits hydrogen out of the natural gas and generates the heat - then the hydrogen produced is used in the PEM fuel cell to produce the electricity.

It will never run on water of course but will utilise water within the heating circuit - I suspect that there was some translation error with this causing the incorrect report.

As for the 90% savings - bit optimistic, but the possibilty exists for significant savings over their current grid system which would reduce the load on the grid.

[Graeme]

Wall Street upbeat on new breed of fuel cells

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')on-hydrogen fuel cell makers -- who manufacture fuel cells powered by natural gas or other clean-burning fuels like ethanol -- have in recent years attracted investment even as industry pioneers who build fuel cells that use hydrogen have gone out of favor.

Over the next three years, he believes the share of hydrogen fuel cell makers will shrink to 30 percent of total global sales while the non-hydrogen will chalk up 70 percent, up from the present 50-50 split between the two sectors.

In dollar terms, $1 billion in fuel cells, hydrogen and non-hydrogen, were sold worldwide in the past 10 years. Global annual sales stand at $250 million now, noted Simon, but added they can mushroom into a $10 billion-a-year industry if the non-hydrogen segment really takes off.

"The non-hydrogen fuel cells can deliver all the benefit associated with fuel cells, high efficiency, low to zero emissions and durability without the flaw of having to find hydrogen," Simon told Reuters.

[joewp]

Just the next scam to separate the marks from their money.

[Twilight]

Destined for niche applications only.

Unnecessary now, unobtainable later.

[hydroguy]

Bring on the development and let the market determine what is viable or not. Creating jobs in green energy is a step in the right direction even if there happen to be a few missteps along the way.

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hydroguy', 'B')ring on the development and let the market determine what is viable or not. Creating jobs in green energy is a step in the right direction even if there happen to be a few missteps along the way.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hydroguy', 'B')ring on the development and let the market determine what is viable or not. Creating jobs in green energy is a step in the right direction even if there happen to be a few missteps along the way.

[AirlinePilot]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'W')hy not try to add something of value to a thread rather then blather on like an idiot?
Why does everything have to be a conspiracy to some people?
Why am I still here?

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'W')hy not try to add something of value to a thread rather then blather on like an idiot?
Why does everything have to be a conspiracy to some people?
Why am I still here?

[Twilight]

If that avatar isn't harrassment, I don't know what is. That's some creepy-ass stalker stuff right there. Chalk another one up for psychosis.