[threadbear]

Classic disinfo. Mix a bit of legitimate information with bogus stuff and noone takes any of it seriously.

The actual evidence for some electronic interferance is an entirely different topic. The Christic institute is interested in the "wavies", and I'd hardly dismiss this particular institute. They helped out Iran-Contra and Sheehan was also involved in the Karen Silkwood incident. The Christic institute is also a big supporter of the Disclosure project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christic_Institute

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'P')eople get sick, cancer, and/or die from cell phone radiation, I read an article in The Ecologist years ago that noted the mortality rate in NYC doubled in 1996 after digital cell masts were put up all over the place, you can't walk a couple blocks in Manhattan without seeing them on rooftops and everyone has their cell phones glued to their ears just a couple centimeters away from their brain.

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'P')eople get sick, cancer, and/or die from cell phone radiation, I read an article in The Ecologist years ago that noted the mortality rate in NYC doubled in 1996 after digital cell masts were put up all over the place, you can't walk a couple blocks in Manhattan without seeing them on rooftops and everyone has their cell phones glued to their ears just a couple centimeters away from their brain.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'C')lassic disinfo. Mix a bit of legitimate information with bogus stuff and noone takes any of it seriously.

[dukey]

[flash width=500 height=410]http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-554962241935608622&hl=en[/flash]

[NEOPO]

I wonder if PMS still enoy's watching "24".

Good stuff Dukey.

I wonder if Alex has watched Zeitgeist and realizes that the enemies outposts are planted in his mind as well.

[Cloud9]

The guy who uses torture should be eased out of the chopper at six hundred feet.

[Offshore]

Torture is only good when terrorists are doing it.

Every terrorist should be tortured and then killed.

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Offshore', 'T')orture is only good when terrorists are doing it.

Every terrorist should be tortured and then killed.

[katkinkate]

The only things torture achieves is terrorising the potential torture victim population and dehumanising the torturer. Any 'information' gained is unreliable.

[Plantagenet]

Ve haff vays of making you tok!!!!

[Zardoz]

No more Mister Nice Guy

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Our country for the first time in my life time has abandoned the basic principle of human rights," Carter said. "We've said that the Geneva Conventions do not apply to those people in Abu Ghraib prison and Guantanamo, and we've said we can torture prisoners and deprive them of an accusation of a crime to which they are accused."

Carter also said President Bush creates his own definition of human rights.

[aldente]

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[billp]

Carter administration has problems too.

Nojeh Coup

In July 1980, Zbigniew Brzezinski of the United States met Jordan's King Hussein in Amman to discuss detailed plans for Saddam Hussein to sponsor a coup in Iran against Khomeini. King Hussein was Saddam's closest confidant in the Arab world, and served as an intermediary during the planning. The Iraqi invasion of Iran would be launched under the pretext of a call for aid from Iranian loyalist officers plotting their own uprising on July 9, 1980 (codenamed Nojeh, after Shahrokhi/Nojeh air base in Hamedan). The Iranian officers were organized by Shapour Bakhtiar, who had fled to France when Khomeini seized power, but was operating from Baghdad and Sulimaniyah at the time of Brzezinski's meeting with Hussein. However, Khomeini learned of the Nojeh Coup plan from Soviet agents in France and Latin America. Shortly after Brzezinski's meeting with Hussein, the President of Iran, Abolhassan Bani-Sadr quietly rounded up 600 of the loyalist plotters within Iran, putting an effective end to the Nojeh Coup.[5] Saddam decided to invade without the Iranian officers' assistance, beginning the Iran-Iraq war on 22 September 1980.

because

In The Longest War: The Iran-Iraq Military Conflict by Dilip Hiro states on the cover text,

How was Iraq - at a 3 to 1 disadvantage in population - able to sustain an eight year war and arm one-tenth of its entire population? ... It had been a bloody and expensive conflict. Conservative Western estimate put the total number of war dead at 367,000 - Iran accounting for 262,000 and Iraq 105,000. With more than 70,000 injured, the total casualties were put at over million. The official figures, given a month later by minister of Islamic guidance in a radio interview, put the Iranian dead at 123,220 combatants, and another 60,711 missing in action. In addition 11,000 civilians had lost their lives. Tehran's total of nearly 200,000 troops and civilians killed was in stark contrast to Bagdad's estimate of 800,000 Iranian dead." page 250.

http://www.prosefights.org/nmlegal/dcvo ... htm#taylor

[billg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'U')S intel: al-Qaida may move outside Iraq
By PAMELA HESS, Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The director of national intelligence said Tuesday he is concerned that al-Qaida in Iraq is shifting its focus to attacks elsewhere in the region.

"They may deploy resources to mount attacks outside the country," Mike McConnell told a Senate hearing, although he also said that fewer than 100 terrorists have moved to establish cells in other countries.

At the same hearing, CIA Director Michael Hayden publicly confirmed for the first time the names of three suspected al-Qaida terrorists who were subjected to a particularly harsh interrogation technique known as waterboarding, and why.

"We used it against these three detainees because of the circumstances at the time," Hayden said. "There was the belief that additional catastrophic attacks against the homeland were inevitable. And we had limited knowledge about al-Qaida and its workings. Those two realities have changed."

Hayden said that Khalid Sheik Mohammed — the purported mastermind of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States — and Abu Zubayda and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri were subject to the harsh interrogations in 2002 and 2003. Waterboarding is an interrogation technique that critics call torture.

Waterboarding induces a feeling of imminent drowning with the restrained subject's mouth covered and water poured over his face.

"Waterboarding taken to its extreme, could be death, you could drown someone," McConnell acknowledged. He said waterboarding remains a technique in the CIA's arsenal, but it would require the consent of the president and legal approval of the attorney general.

[Heineken]

Don't ALL third-world countries practice torture?

[heroineworshipper]

Waterboarding is a vacation compared to what life under Hillary would have been like.

[NTBKtrader]

I agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs.

[dissident]

Waterboarding was one of the tortures of choice for the Khmer Rouge. BBC and assorted wankers can call it "controversial" trying to fob it off as some sort of inconvenience but it is one of the most effective forms of *torture*. Here is what the USA used to do with waterboarding torturers:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 70_pf.html

[joeltrout]

Its also official terrorists kill Americans and others.

joeltrout