[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]Threadbear Wrote:
Isn't it more than worth it, to work towards cleaning up the environment, carbon emissions wise, particularly if you have children?Your grandchildren will likely be alive then.

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And the species has not died out...We're not going to get people to stop driving cars, or stop heating / ACing their homes...it simply wont happen...We wont stop burning coal & live without electricity.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'H')ad we been truly intelligent, we could have limited our numbers on the commons. Think of the world we could have had: a small healthy population, relatively free of disease and suffering with a high quality of life—almost forever. In our insistence to breed with freedom on the commons, we squandered that opportunity. And since the population went up due to the population sustainability of fossil fuels, it will go down as they decline—although there is uncertainty as to what a sustainable global population would be without them.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')our way of thinking has people thinking, " I'll just party, burn all of the gas I can, invest in oil companies, for the short term, and to hell with it".

[RonMN]

Threadbear Wrote:
You actually believe we'll face die off because some hopelessly esoteric movement like -'the Voluntary Simplicity Movement' just won't take hold? You're kidding me, aren't you?

Nope, I believe we will face die off because of resource depletion & lack of cooperation...But I'm not kidding about the "Voluntary Simplicity Movement' just won't take hold"...Remember Jimmy Carter saying turn down your heat & put on a sweater?

Boy, that went over like a fart in church!

I suspect it will go over about the same today...even as there are accute energy shortages/disruptions, people will continue to believe the "all is well" shpeel.

Be affraid of stupid people in large numbers!!!

[Bas]

re: French revolution

In order for us to keep our heads the next time, we, Monseigneurs might have to have some more attention for the needs and justice of the common man.

[keehah]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')as there ever been an example of this kind of self-restraint in any group of people or any other any creature for that matter?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')our way of thinking has people thinking, " I'll just party, burn all of the gas I can, invest in oil companies, for the short term, and to hell with it".

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'W')hy should I let some hypothetical child have a shred of hope? More pointedly, why should I inconvenience myself in the slightest in order to benefit some other person?

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
')What did they have that we don't have, old friend???

(Clue - one word, four letters, begins with 'h')

JP

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
')What did they have that we don't have, old friend???

(Clue - one word, four letters, begins with 'h')

JP

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'T')here isn't going to be a 'Die Off'. (I think most of us have figured that out by now...)

[SeasonOfPain]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'S')imply because people without fossil fuels once built THIS (temple of Artemis, artist's reconstruction):

<snip>

What did they have that we don't have, old friend???

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', ' ')You had 270 votes for 'die-off'...impressive.

Last time I looked, there were over 6 billion people on the planet. You going to give all of them the same set of tick-boxes? Love to see the results

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', ' ')You had 270 votes for 'die-off'...impressive.

Last time I looked, there were over 6 billion people on the planet. You going to give all of them the same set of tick-boxes? Love to see the results

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeasonOfPain', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', 'S')imply because people without fossil fuels once built THIS (temple of Artemis, artist's reconstruction):

<snip>

What did they have that we don't have, old friend???

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'H')ad we been truly intelligent, we could have limited our numbers on the commons. Think of the world we could have had: a small healthy population, relatively free of disease and suffering with a high quality of life—almost forever. In our insistence to breed with freedom on the commons, we squandered that opportunity. And since the population went up due to the population sustainability of fossil fuels, it will go down as they decline—although there is uncertainty as to what a sustainable global population would be without them.

[Ludi]

Why couldn't they be helped to create their own new Eden?


http://www.greenbeltmovement.org/

http://www.iirr.org/saem/page106-109.htm

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')hy couldn't they be helped to create their own new Eden?


http://www.greenbeltmovement.org/

http://www.iirr.org/saem/page106-109.htm

[Ludi]

I've never met a zombie, so I don't know how insanely irrational they are. I guess if they'd rather attack me than learn from me, there's nothing much I can do about it!

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'ve never met a zombie, so I don't know how insanely irrational they are. I guess if they'd rather attack me than learn from me, there's nothing much I can do about it!