[RonMN]

No oil stocks here, but that's not because I'm opposed to it.

I think any & all mining companies profits will decline as oil gets more & more expensive...so IMO i don't think it's a sound investment. (oil, gold, coal, etc., mining...I'm staying away from all of them).

[Ludi]

Well, yeah, of course we will die. If we're lucky, we won't die "prematurely"! Premature death could arrive in the form of "natural" death from disease or starvation or accident, or it could arrive in the form of "managed die-off." It doesn't scare me much to think about dying of "natural" causes but I do find it distressing to think of dying because someone felt it was necessary to withhold medication from me to cull the overshoot. That would suck a lot.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'N')o oil stocks here, but that's not because I'm opposed to it.

I think any & all mining companies profits will decline as oil gets more & more expensive...so IMO i don't think it's a sound investment. (oil, gold, coal, etc., mining...I'm staying away from all of them).

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ell, yeah, of course we will die. If we're lucky, we won't die "prematurely"! Premature death could arrive in the form of "natural" death from disease or starvation or accident, or it could arrive in the form of "managed die-off." It doesn't scare me much to think about dying of "natural" causes but I do find it distressing to think of dying because someone felt it was necessary to withhold medication from me to cull the overshoot. That would suck a lot.

[RonMN]

Threadbear Wrote:
Are you concerned about the environment?

Well, yes & no...I'm of the opinion that we've messed up the environment so bad that even if the entire human species dropped dead tomorrow, it would still take hundreds of years for nature to clean it up.
GW will continue even without mans help, the climate will continue to change...so WTF?

If I thought there was anything we could realistically do at this point, i'd say let's do it...but alas, the problems we're seeing in the environment today is from pollution released 20 years ago

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]Threadbear Wrote:
Are you concerned about the environment?

Well, yes & no...I'm of the opinion that we've messed up the environment so bad that even if the entire human species dropped dead tomorrow, it would still take hundreds of years for nature to clean it up.
GW will continue even without mans help, the climate will continue to change...so WTF?

If I thought there was anything we could realistically do at this point, i'd say let's do it...but alas, the problems we're seeing in the environment today is from pollution released 20 years ago

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'T')he government forces people to build safer houses, wear seatbelts etc and there are still advertisements urging people not to smoke or drink and drive. We are a long way from anyone managing the die-off.

[keehah]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')an you see how the attitude towards believing in the inevitability of Die Off can insure that it actually happens, by creating disincentives to act in a preventative manner?

[Smudger]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')ell, yeah, of course we will die. If we're lucky, we won't die "prematurely"! Premature death could arrive in the form of "natural" death from disease or starvation or accident, or it could arrive in the form of "managed die-off." It doesn't scare me much to think about dying of "natural" causes but I do find it distressing to think of dying because someone felt it was necessary to withhold medication from me to cull the overshoot. That would suck a lot.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SpringCreekFarm', ' ')I would love to see how you are preparing, if in fact you are. I'm interested because you live in a very dry location and I would be wonderfully enlightened to see your garden. Our area while normally quite well watered is getting pretty dry. It would be cool to see how you get your crops watered. I understand that your other farm is in a different location but please share with us what you are doing with your tools and your skills. There is a thread on garden pictures. Let's have a look. Thanks.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'T')he government forces people to build safer houses, wear seatbelts etc and there are still advertisements urging people not to smoke or drink and drive. We are a long way from anyone managing the die-off.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'I') get the impression that folks here on the board generally haven't been involved in enacting public policy and/or governing at any level, so what does it really mean if they see it "necessary"?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Smudger', 'W')hat medication are you on?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', ' ')We seem to talk about this an awful lot here, so it seems like it must be important to many people here. ...Who do I believe? The people who say this is important, or those who say it isn't?

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Smudger', 'W')hat medication are you on?

[threadbear]

Speaking of not going down without a fight, got to hand it to you, Ludi, you seem to be very strong to me, at least in some ways.

I can stand up to anyone, get right in their face and holler, if they're being unfair, but I can't public speak and am sometimes afraid of the dark.

Most people are such curious mixes of contradictory traits.

[Ludi]

Going off meds doesn't work and is a bad idea.


Suffering it out with high blood pressure could lead to a stroke or renal failure. Suffering it out with pneumonia could lead to death.


The suffering it out thing doesnt work.

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'H')ad we been truly intelligent, we could have limited our numbers on the commons. Think of the world we could have had: a small healthy population, relatively free of disease and suffering with a high quality of life—almost forever. In our insistence to breed with freedom on the commons, we squandered that opportunity. And since the population went up due to the population sustainability of fossil fuels, it will go down as they decline—although there is uncertainty as to what a sustainable global population would be without them.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'H')ad we been truly intelligent, we could have limited our numbers on the commons. Think of the world we could have had: a small healthy population, relatively free of disease and suffering with a high quality of life—almost forever. In our insistence to breed with freedom on the commons, we squandered that opportunity. And since the population went up due to the population sustainability of fossil fuels, it will go down as they decline—although there is uncertainty as to what a sustainable global population would be without them.

[RonMN]

Threadbear Wrote:
Isn't it more than worth it, to work towards cleaning up the environment, carbon emissions wise, particularly if you have children?Your grandchildren will likely be alive then.

I wish it were possible, But i just can't see it. As I said before the pollution already released 20 years ago is causing our current problems (especially with the ozone layer)...Even IF the entire human species died, the damaging effects will continue.

And the species has not died out...We're not going to get people to stop driving cars, or stop heating / ACing their homes...it simply wont happen...We wont stop burning coal & live without electricity. And as far as cutting back goes...If I smoke 30 ciggies a day & cutback to 27...what good did that really do me? Yet it was a cutback of 10% and i seriously doubt you/we could get the average joe to cut his energy consumption down by 10% (which would do absolutely nothing anyway).