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Re: Peak Oil Myth?

Postby czar » Sat 28 Jan 2006, 20:08:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('miniTAX', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('czar', 'W')e went to war in Iraq not because oil is getting scarce but because they wanted to start selling their oil for euro's. No reason for countries to keep dollars if they don't have to buy oil with them. That's mostly what the war on terror is about. Keeping the empire's dollar the dominant currency in the world.

Needless to say more on your "crap" about abiotic oil.
As to your simplistic and conspiratory views about the "empire's dollar", plz browse through the forum. Much about this has been said. Look for Mr Bill's posts about it for exemple. He is someone who seems to know more than you about macro-economics, global finance and FX (foreign exchange).
Best regards.


hello...

why the hostility? maybe i should have prefaced all that i said with a ' IMHO '...

i know that's a simplistic view of what's going on, but it certainly played a huge part in the decision to go to war. in my opinion, this is driving alot of the events with Iran at present. they want to sell their oil for euros as well.
anyway,i'm not sure why i put the comment in there. on hindsight, i wouldn't of. please ignore and i apologize...

did you read that article, btw?

peace,

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Re: Peak Oil Myth?

Postby miniTAX » Sun 29 Jan 2006, 05:36:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('czar', '
') did you read that article, btw?

john

Yes, I've read your link and I thank you for it.
To be more precise, I've already heard about abiotic oil in 1993, when I made sismic modelizations for Elf (now Total) oil company. So, nothing really revolutionary, or practically useful.
Just like proving that life is made by God, no-one can prove that abiotic oil is true or not.
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The Myth Of Peak Oil

Postby sirrom » Fri 10 Aug 2007, 09:07:47

{thread merged by emersonbiggins}

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eak oil is a scam designed to create artificial scarcity and jack up prices while giving the state an excuse to invade our lives and order us to sacrifice our hard-earned living standards.


http://educate-yourself.org/cn/prisonpl ... ct06.shtml


EDIT: i would just like to point out that i don't believe this,but some people do,it's just good to know what we are up against.know your enemy and all that.
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what did YOU do in the eco-war?

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Re: The Myth Of Peak Oil

Postby vision-master » Fri 10 Aug 2007, 09:26:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ugene Island 330 is often cited as a key example of Abiogenic petroleum origin theory, which holds that petroleum reservoirs are continuously replenished from inorganic sources deep within the Earth. However, Eugene Island 330's fame comes precisely from its status as an unusual anomaly, rather than being typical of the other 40,000 developed oil fields, and most petroleum scientists believe that the depletion profile is adequately explained by replenishment from deeper reservoirs of normal biologically derived petroleum.

In regard to oil depletion concerns, while the rate went up again in the early 1990s along with the overall estimated recoverable petroleum, the rate has since declined and is expected to be exhausted just as other oil fields have been rather than being indefinitely renewed. It just turned out to be a larger linked group of reservoirs than initially expected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Island


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Re: The Myth Of Peak Oil

Postby clueless » Fri 10 Aug 2007, 11:04:15

Alex Jones...Need I say more ?


He is the Matt Savinar of the Patriotic Movement.
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Re: The Myth Of Peak Oil

Postby Doly » Fri 10 Aug 2007, 11:07:33

My standard reply to anybody who mentions abiotic oil is: Well, let's suppose you are right and oil is replenished from natural geological processes. Do you honestly believe it's replenished at the same rate we are consuming it?

Event the staunchest defenders of abiotic oil flinch at that.
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Re: The Myth Of Peak Oil

Postby HorneyGeekBoi » Fri 10 Aug 2007, 11:21:53

Come on, we all know that there is a constant source of dinosaurs living underground, and when they die, they turn into oil in a few hours and seep to the surface. If we ever have a problem of not enough oil supply, our government can always use their top secret fusion generators which they got from UFO crash landed craft...
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Re: The Myth Of Peak Oil

Postby mkwin » Fri 10 Aug 2007, 11:30:19

Alex Jones is possibily right on some things - 9/11 for example. However, this in one of the few things he is completely wrong about.
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Re: The Myth Of Peak Oil

Postby steam_cannon » Fri 10 Aug 2007, 11:33:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sirrom', '[')img]http://www.peakoil.com/modules/Forums/images/avatars/173242167546b737a3438c4.gif[/img]
(Please don't eat me)

EDIT: i would just like to point out that i don't believe this,but some people do...
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/prisonpl ... ct06.shtml
Alright, I won't eat you (this time). :twisted:
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Re: Peak Oil Myth?

Postby steam_cannon » Sat 11 Aug 2007, 12:14:22

Perhaps Alex Jones article just needs a little editing... :twisted:

The original article
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/prisonpl ... ct06.shtml

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon - re', '
')Peak oil is the result of geology and population pressure which will create artificial scarcity and jack up prices while giving the state an excuse to invade our lives and order us to sacrifice our hard-earned living standards.

Publicly available CFR and Club of Rome strategy manuals from 30 years ago say that a global government will want to control the world population through neo-feudalism after scarcity of oil supplies settles in. Now that the peak energy production in the US hit in the 70's and the advancement of globalisation, the US has de-industrialized. Now they are going to blame our economic disintegration on lack of energy supplies due to terrorist, where as in reality the problem is a geological one.

Globalization is all about consolidation and efficiency. Now that the world economy has become so centralized through the Globalists operations, they are going to be faced with collapse due to the exponential consumption of fossil fuels resulting in depletion. While at the same time fossil fuel interests will continue blocking the development and integration of renewable clean technologies. The results of this will be disastrous.

In other words, Peak oil is reality and it will create artificial scarcity and drive prices up. Meanwhile, alternative fuel technologies which have been around for decades are intentionally suppressed. And worse, even if they weren't they would be unable to solve the problem of exponential population growth, or likely even provide for our current energy needs.

Peak oil is a theory known but not discussed by the elite, by the oil industry, by the very people that you would think peak oil would harm, unless it was a cover for another agenda. Which from the evidence of efforts to hide the coming scarcity, bold faced lies from Saudi Arabia and representatives of big oil, it’s clear that peak oil is not a myth but a simple geological truth that will play out within our lifetimes. Because of energy shortages, globalists will eventual lose control and life will become intensely more local, as happened after the breakup of the soviet union. Globalisation originally risked overtaking American sovereignty, but with it's breakup now the US faces losing itself altogether.

The problem of scarcity

The crux of the issue is that if oil is not plentiful in areas in which we are being told by the government and the oil companies that it is, then we have clear evidence oil companies will not be able to meet world demand which will result in shortages. And we have concrete examples of where this has happened. Gawar is sucking mostly water, Cantel is depleting at an alarming rate. And further, oil companies have not been able to meet world demand, as we can see by skyrocketing oil prices.

Three separate internal confidential memos from Mobil, Chevron and Texaco have been obtained by The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights.

These memos outline a deliberate agenda to close oil refineries because the there is not enough refineable light sweet crude left on the world markets. This was a nationwide to consolidate remaining investments led by the American Petroleum Institute to encourage refineries to do this.

An internal Chevron memo states; "A senior energy analyst at the recent API convention warned that if the US petroleum industry doesn't reduce its refining capacity it will never see any substantial increase in refinery margins." Meaning, in the future it will no longer be profitable to keep so many refineries open, because they will not be in use.

The Memos make clear that blockages in refining capacity and opening new refineries did not come from environmental organizations, as the oil industry claimed, but via a deliberate policy of limitation to maintain profits at the behest of the oil industry.

Fooling themselves - The mystery of Eugene Island 330 and self-renewing oil supplies

There are non-scientists who argue that oil is an infinite resource we can extract at any rate we want. Lets look at at typical example of this foolishness is the poorly researched claims that Eugene Island oil field has recovered and is not producing more oil then ever.

Eugene Island - oil field in the gulf of Mexico
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Obviously Eugene Island has not recovered and is in severe decline.

For more information on debunking Abiotic oil claims
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/showmetheoil.html

Why do people continue to disseminate false theories such as abiotic oil? One theory is that proponents of globalisation want to keep people confident that peoples cars can be fueled with gasoline forever. This simply is not true. Also oil industry lobbyists who are against renewable energy may have a stake in promoting false information.

The future of oil

This year in particular we have seen a strong hike in oil prices and are being told not to worry because prices will eventually come down. However, every year prices have continued to go up for oil as supplies have become more limited. So in reality, prices aren't likely only to go up.

In the wake of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita there was massive damage to US oil production and infrastructure. Because of the limited world capacity to produce fuel to make up for US shortages, US and world oil prices went up like a rocket. Because of this, we can now see the fragility of the world oil markets and how short in supply oil is becoming. Americans are being asked to turn off lights, change thermostat settings, drive slower, insulate homes and take other steps. Meanwhile the oil companies continue to make record profits as they're supplies empty. This price rationing angers consumers and governments, however I think we only seeing the beginning of this so far.

The supporting geologic evidence showing limited supplies and proving peak oil is undeniable. We are running out of oil quickly and reserves are depleting at alarming speed. World oil production is slumping and the markets are faltering. We may very well be witnessing the end of globalisation.

In the 1980s OPEC decided to switch to a quota production system based on the size of reserves. The larger the reserves a country said it had the more it could pump. Lying in the face of the original geological analysis of oil deposits, all the OPEC producers falsely reported to have twice as much oil as they could account for a few years earlier.

An excellent example of this is Kuwait, who doubled their reserve numbers and now has been forced to report they only have half of those reserves. As other counties like Kuwait fail to meet their production obligations, the extent of false reporting will become more clear. Already we are seeing the largest producers like Saudi Arabia providing questionable excuses for not raising production. And if the original reserve estimates for Saudi Arabia are correct, then Saudi Arabia can no longer increase production, meaning they're production has peaked.

New large untapped oil sources are no longer being discovered. In response the west is trying to monopolize and control as much of the remaining oil as possible. Most of this is in the middle east. Also the US has economic interest in the currency used to trade oil. Because of these factors the US is likely to remain entangled in war and occupation for as long as the US can remain a functional entity. Considering the wars being presently fight over oil, how can oil be in abundant, it's not.

Traditionally when energy prices became to high a swing producer would step in and offer more crude to the market. The US was a swing producer until the US production capacity peaked and began declining. Then OPEC became a swing producer. This however seems to be ending as we are well into a crisis, but they do not seem to be able or willing to produce more oil. And this time there are no other producers able to step in and bring more oil to the market.

If we continue to let the corrupt elite tell us we are not wholly dependent on oil, we may reach a twisted situation whereby they can justify starvation and mass global poverty, perhaps even depopulation, even within the western world due to the fact that our energy supplies are finished.

The danger I see, their denial of the geology of peak oil may become just another weapon the globalists have in their arsenal to move towards a new world order where the elite get richer and everyone else falls into line and the collapse ultimately becomes even worse because the market and individuals are unprepared.

Well I hope you all enjoyed my edited version of the original article! :lol:
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Re: Peak Oil Myth?

Postby steam_cannon » Sat 11 Aug 2007, 12:18:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alex Jones', 'I')t(oil), like coal, and natural gas, replenishes from sources within the mantle of earth.
WTF! Alex Jones thinks coal comes from the mantle! Hahhaha :lol: What an idiot!

Personally, sometimes I wonder if Alex Jones is a plant. Think about it this way, he comes out with what could be the truth on lots of unimportant issues that people can't do anything about and establishes a presence on the net. But then the biggest issues like Energy, he repeats bold faced lies.

Put simply, the guy stinks! And anyway he's definitely no scientist.
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Re: Peak Oil Myth?

Postby lieswatter » Mon 20 Aug 2007, 01:08:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Doly: My standard reply to anybody who mentions abiotic oil is: Well, let's suppose you are right and oil is replenished from natural geological processes. Do you honestly believe it's replenished at the same rate we are consuming it?


Why is it assumed that abiotic proponents claim "infinite supply," or a supply "sustainable at current consumption rates?" Most every abiotic proponent I hear from would agree with czar, that abiotic oil generation would likely indicate much larger reserves than previously "thought." ...."Thought."
Well, who's really thinking?
Controlling shareholders in the oil industry think very differently than their underlings who promote the damn product, fruitlessly lobby Congress for drilling offshore and in Anwar ...parading their partisanship in bold colors. Would it serve the interests of any oil company if rank and file employees were told the truth - that productive wells were capped as 'anti-big oil' interests and environmental groups were heavily subsidized and used as smokescreens for choking supply?
Even the lobbiests would be DUMBfounded.
Look at the profits, people!

Peak oil. Let's see - if the oil companies wanted to con the public into believing their myth of petroleum scarcity, I mean shucks, wouldn't they just promote it themselves? (...or would they use the idiot left to promote their myths for them, as they quietly 'admit' it under their breath?) PULL MY @#$%ING HAIR OUT, CAN'T YOU PEOPLE PLAY CHESS?
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