[MonteQuest]

I’m curious. How many here would rather die than make hard choices about life and death?

I see people adamant that they would prefer to die rather than address over-population effectively.

If you were shipwrecked at sea, miles from land, in a lifeboat rated for 8 people with 24 on board, and more survivors swam to your boat, would you let them aboard, or would you fend them off?

If you let them on board, you most certainly will seal the already tenuous fate of those 24 aboard.

Would you just give up and argue you are all doomed anyway?

Or would reason and a desire to survive prevail?

So, sink the boat with all hands or make hard choices to maximize survival.

[holmes]

cheap energy has allowed so much gibberish to be spoken.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') would fend them off. The difference between a boat and the planet is that the boat is an instance of a locality on human scale and does not require a heirarchical power structure to make and implement that decision. The planet is not, and would.

[holmes]

I changed my tone shanny. but i do not agree with you. But that is ok... I am agreeing with monte.

[holmes]

I misread your post and thought at first you were implying that the earth is wide open and fertile so everyone can be at the dinner table no problem. Then I read it and saw that was not the case. My bad! Nothing to do with your tone. Hee hee. my fault. I kinda know what your getting at now with the local higherarchy.

[Stratovarius]

If they were strangers, I would fend them off. If they were all friends, I'm not sure what I would do. A tough situation indeed.

[dinopello]

I'd like to believe that my inclination would be to get off the boat for at least women or children that would be looking to get on. But, it's hard to know what you would do in a situation. My most realistic expectation is that I would go along with the consensus of the boat, hoping that the consensus was to try and save as many as possible even if we all went down together.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'W')ho is in charge on the boat?

Who puts them in charge?

Who decides whether to fend or not to fend?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', ' ')Now substitute "planet" for "boat" in your questions, and the answers become:

The rich and powerful few.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', ' ')And anyway, I think you are making my point for me. THEY choose, not WE. Unless you are a multi-billionaire, which I'm pretty sure you're not. In that case you might be one of "them". You know what I'm talking about, I've read your book. So why do you want to put those people in charge of a population reduction plan?

[OilIsMastery]

I would suicide bomb the life raft. That way the media would love me and tell the world I'm innocent and say it was Bush's fault. Either Bush's fault or else it was global warming.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I') want to put the people in charge of a population reduction plan via a paradigm shift in their thinking.

The world was once full of people who were born and raised with this mindset. They didn't need to be forced to live sustainably, their lives depended on it. They knew.

Ludi posts about them all the time.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I')t's not necessarily the solutions I have a problem with, it's the power structure that must exist in order to implement them. For about 20 years I thought China's policy was a great idea. Then I learned more about how the world works, and changed my mind.

That, and I still think we should let nature do the job. I think nature would do a better job than we can do. Especially this late in the game.

Also, I don't think there's time to implement such a policy now, even if it was a great idea a few decades ago. I think eco-collapse/climate change is happening so fast that we're already committed to the "default" option.

[Roccland]

What does it matter if they come on or not...24 already in a boat made for 8...might as well break out the cards and enjoy the final moments in life.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'Y')ou make me really sad, Monte. Really, really sad, and hurt. That's fine.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'W')hat does it matter if they come on or not...24 already in a boat made for 8...might as well break out the cards and enjoy the final moments in life.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') will trust that not everyone reading this is as inept at comprehension of my words as you are.

[ColossalContrarian]

We all die eventually, I'd rather die with good karma.

Hop on board!

[Roccland]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roccland', 'W')hat does it matter if they come on or not...24 already in a boat made for 8...might as well break out the cards and enjoy the final moments in life.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'I') will trust that not everyone reading this is as inept at comprehension of my words as you are.