[Ayoob_Reloaded]

I wonder how useful it would be to murder as many rich people as possible. Consider for a moment how much less oil would be burned in the absence of a few millionaires. How much oil is burned in the pursuit of wealth for Donald Trump? If some lucky bastard was to kill The Donald, how much further would that push out the Peak? I bet it could be an extra year.

Lining up all the executives from Conoco Philips and BP, and eviscerating them, would probably slow down oil production a hair. Add in every Executive Vice President from Bank of America, and you've got quite a cadre of oil-consuming people out there who would no longer be driving to work, bribing Nigerian warlords, or manipulating the futures market. It might even be beneficial to the economy to sink the S. S. Condi Rice! That would surely prolong the petrolEconomy.

How many 12-cylinder Jaguars and Mercedes are on the road today? Not that many. There are certainly more Ford Festivas and Kia Clownmobiles than there are XJ12's. It should be fairly easy to target the XJ12's with any kind of projectile weapon you may have handy. Imagine how much power you could preserve by doing away with the occupants thereof! How many 12K square foot mansions would no longer have to be heated, business matters to attend to in other parts of the state/country/world that would no longer require a first-class seat on a jet! The savings could be tremendous!

Rich US citizens use the majority of the petroleum resources available on the planet. We should exterminate these wasteful parasites so as to extend the useful duration of the petroleum age on the planet!

Kill the rich! Save the oil!

This is a Modest Proposal, brought to you by the letter H, and the number 6.

[Guest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob_Reloaded', 'I') wonder how useful it would be to murder as many rich people as possible. Consider for a moment how much less oil would be burned in the absence of a few millionaires.

[K9P]

The only advantage I can see of killing the rich is that it would include Ayoob - he is bound to earn more than the global average...

http://www.gapminder.org/projectsView-2.htm

...along with everyone else viewing this site....

[Sencha]

Guest, my advice is that you lighten up a little.

Even peak oilers don't seem to realize the severity of the situation we are in. I don't mean everyone, but I am thinking of a few of us like that. We don't have to be in the crash, to consider the predicament we are in to be a dire emergency.

You have to understand, the elite know what is happening and what they are doing to us. They are indirectly (or perhaps directly) planning to allow a mass die-off and complete destruction of life as we know it.

Put yourself in their position:
You're rich, powerful and happen to be fully aware of the oil crisis. You know there will be a die-off and that the fabric that holds society together will be torn to shreds.

What do you do? Awaken the public to the harsh truth and begin diverting resources to increasing their chances for survival? Or do sit idly by and wait for the SHTF, knowing you have one of the world's most powerful militaries to suppress the inevitable public revolt?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, as far as the elite are concerned, we are little more than animals. They don't care what happens to us. This country has lost its balls. If we were anything like the way we were two centuries ago, we'd be shooting blue bloods for target practice.

It sickens me that so many of us are willing to submit our fates to these people. What they're doing to us, would be like sitting on the side of a road. A ball rolls across the road and a child crosses to get it. You turn your head to see a speeding car on a collision course for the child. You have an evil smirk, lean back and watch the show. Stone faced you witness the kid splattered all over the car's windshield. And you think, "More space for me."

Every day we get a little closer to the road, think the sadist sitting on the curb is going to come out and pull us to safety? No wait, I'll answer that for you: NO!

[stu]

Not exactly the cleverest way to solve the problem of PO....though maybe we should take their money as well to give us more resources to prepare for the peak...Then again money won't be worth jack in the future.

[_sluimers_]

Your "modest proposal" is missing the debunking of ridiculous ideas like using solar energy as done in http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/solar.htm

As the most common argument I hear about solar power is that with 14.7 x 10^18 BTU of sunlight hitting the earth every year has no future.

This is because solar power is only about 0.04 x 10^15 BTU in 1998 compared to 400 x 10^15 of the total energy used in 1998. Since solar energy has only grown with 20% that year, it will only be 0.36 x 10^15 BTU in 2010. That's nothing. That's not even 1%. Therefor solar has completely no future. Think of it. Oil production has grown with about 1% a year between 1998 and 2003, so by 2020 oil production will have increased by 37 x 10^15 BTU at least. Now THAT'S something we can talk about. That's 10% more.
And don't come up with crazy ideas like peak oil or something or that 20% year growth of solar power is not fixed and might be able to grow even in four digit numbers because they can simply be built that fast. That's just a bunch of nonsense.
Oil just won't run out, it'll only become more expensive. And if it becomes more expensive people will buy less of it, so it's not a matter of oil running out, it's simply a demand issue.
And since solar panels are so small it'll always remain small scale anyway.

So there, solar power is useless

[Guest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sencha', 'Y')ou have to understand, the elite know what is happening and what they are doing to us. They are indirectly (or perhaps directly) planning to allow a mass die-off and complete destruction of life as we know it.

[Jack]

Instead of murdering the rich, let's follow a more humane course of action. Let's innoculate the wealthy and then unleash smallpox into the world. With any luck, we'd get a 30% population reduction, mainly the poor.

We could then go around the world, one locale at a time, pruning the population. Fortunately, the truly poor lack the weapons to fight back.

So, how do you like the mirror image of your proposal?

[MikeB]

If you murder the rich, you go to jail. Hankering for a little anal sex, are you?

[Aaron]

Please remember that when you post, especially in a forum like ours, your offering becomes a public domain asset.

This site gets spidered every single day from various sources, the search engines of course, but also other queries which I have no idea where they come from because they block that routing info. I leave it to the readers to speculate on that.

But if you believe in peak theory, and think this site is useful in getting the word out, you might want to think about what threads like this one look like to John Q. Public searching the Internet for information.

I get quite a bit of input from our members asking about inappropriate threads being allowed actually.

Our goal is to respect all offerings here within certain boundaries stated in the code of conduct.

You would have to actually speak to Ayoob in person to get the kind of "intellectual exercise" this post represents, and almost tongue in cheek approach.

Which Ayoob seems not to have considered.

PAX

[mindfarkk]

in case some people are not aware of this, and aaron's concerns notwithstanding, ayoob_r is giving a nod to a very famous and controversial essay entitled "a modest proposal" that was published by jonathan swift in 1729 as a political satire.

http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mindfarkk', 'i')n case some people are not aware of this, and aaron's concerns notwithstanding, ayoob_r is giving a nod to a very famous and controversial essay entitled "a modest proposal" that was published by jonathan swift in 1729 as a political satire.

http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

[K9P]

Ayoob - ... trouble is, since Swift there's been a few people who have tried this kind of thing for real. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, there's been year zero, the KKK and ethnic cleansing and we've still got Mugabe, Sudan, the Hutu/Tutsis, the Al Qaeda fruitcakes etc etc- the joke is, perhaps, on you too.

[Apathy]

Well, I read parts of this thread to my big brother Barbarism and he loves you guys. (he cant read for himself)

Now he wants me to lay back and let be what shall be. I think he has a plan to take over or something - I dont know. I never really mind what he does, as long as he does it quietly and away from my room.

I know he's up to something, 'cause he's been drinking with Ignorance and Chaos again and them three drunk together can go on quite a rampage. Oh well, boys will be boys I guess.

*yawn* I think I'll go lie down a while. This posting business is hard work.

[AnnaLivia]

We are trying to experience the Mona Lisa by examining a square inch of it through a magnifying glass. We will not succeed this way.

As tempting as it is to believe otherwise, the rich are NOT the enemy or the problem.

The problem is that we have not yet correctly identified the enemy.

The enemy is that almost nobody realizes that fiscal equity is essential justice.

By maintaining an economics devoid of fiscal justice, we decrease our happiness and prevent our peace. In other words, overpay/underpay is killing us all. How? Lets discover how.

To begin with, money is either self-earned or other-earned. If it isn’t selfearned, it is earned by others. Having selfearned money is good, however much it is, because money is good (is food, shelter, healthcare), and having selfearned money deprives no one of their earnings. But taking otherearned money is bad; it hurts, starts fights, destroys happiness and quality of life.

If a child steals another’s lunch, he has 1] more food than he can eat 2] a perpetual fight 3] loss of friendship, happiness, and play. And the fight escalates because the deprived is stubborn in his fight because of his needs.

The poor know that they themselves are working as hard as anyone can (they have to, just to survive). So they instinctively know the rich cannot earn more, only get more: the more that belongs rightfully to the robbed workers, who try endlessly to get it back.

Money percolates up through an economy. Because money percolates up, money placed at the bottom refreshes and enriches every level of society. If money trickled down when you make the rich richer, as economists say it does, the poor would be getting less underpaid, not more underpaid.

50 million workers starving to death each year, and economists still don’t get it!

To show how unreal economists are; a Nobel prize-winning economist is famous and applauded for saying that there is no free lunch. Excuse me. Pay of $10 million an hour is a free lunch, and we have that. Maybe some people will think I am exaggerating to a ridiculous extent there, but the newspapers reported that Bill Gates increased his fortune by US$18 billion in 1997. If he worked 1800 hours in that year, he was paid US$10 million an hour. Free lunch. Or, someone’s ancestor was given, or bought, a tract of land in what, via the work performed by all those in that society, became Manhattan, and his heirs forever get other-created astronomical profits, regardless whether they work or not. Free lunch.

(Economists: the blind leading the blind.)

Money like manure is best when spread. But economists, and others, like misers, like to see a heap of money…they like a heap of manure piled at the door, instead of spread on the fields where it does good.

There is an “invisible impâ€

[theshadypeach]

To the people taking this way too seriously, I think it was another tongue-in-cheek post meant to replicate Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal," where he suggested that the English eat Irish babies to end overpopulation problems. In both cases, It's a joke. Swift and Ayoob utilize satire to illustrate a point and provide criticisms for our society, rather than seriously advocating murder.

cheers

[theshadypeach]

Whoops. Apologies. I didn't realize somebody already mentioned this.

[PenultimateManStanding]

Most people don't know anything about Jonathan Swift and his proposal to eat the excess babies: sauteed or barbecued or whatever. Jonathan Swift was a highly popular and highly ironic, neurotic fellow and I've always been a big fan. Gulliver's Travels was his most famour work.

[theshadypeach]

Haha. Neurotic? That's an understatement. He came up with crazy stuff. Like in "A Modest Proposal" he suggested we bread peasants and market the offspring like beef. And that teenagers could be used as substitute game for deer to be hunted by the nobles, when it isn't deer season. Make gloves out of baby skin? Eww


cheers

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theshadypeach', 'H')aha. Neurotic? That's an understatement. He came up with crazy stuff. Like in "A Modest Proposal" he suggested we bread peasants and market the offspring like beef. And that teenagers could be used as substitute game for deer to be hunted by the nobles, when it isn't deer season. Make gloves out of baby skin? Eww


cheers