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Unread postby Bioman » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 20:31:08

This is what it looks like:

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Scientists take major step towards 'synthetic life': first bacterial genome transplantation changing one species to another

Soon: hyper-enhanced oil recovery through synthetic bacteria, unlimited biofuel production from lignocellulosic biomass, mega-efficient biohydrogen production, giga-effective carbon sequestration techniques, fast-tracks towards cures for cancer and malaria, destruction of the era of toxic waste, etc....

Ready for the roller coaster?
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Re: It's here

Unread postby joewp » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 20:45:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bioman', 'T')his is what it looks like:

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Scientists take major step towards 'synthetic life': first bacterial genome transplantation changing one species to another

Soon: hyper-enhanced oil recovery through synthetic bacteria, unlimited biofuel production


Bullshit.

(Hint: Whenever you see the word "unlimited", think "bullshit".)
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Re: It's here

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 20:49:31

Yea! Now I have to worry about contracting germs that want to turn my innards into olive oil.
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Re: It's here

Unread postby rider » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 20:57:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'Y')ea! Now I have to worry about contracting germs that want to turn my innards into olive oil.


Or something worse! 8O
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Re: It's here

Unread postby MonteQuest » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 21:25:01

Man still wants to be God.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'T')he Indian never trusted the "White Man," as he appeared to the Indian as quite presumptuous; a quality they never fathomed. How could anyone presume to improve upon Nature, much less, out live it?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he achievement opens the era of synthetic biology, a revolutionary science field the consequences and applications of which we can only begin to imagine.


I can imagine a lot of consequences.
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Unread postby Ingenuity_Gap » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 23:22:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bioman', 'T')his is what it looks like:

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Scientists take major step towards 'synthetic life': first bacterial genome transplantation changing one species to another

Soon: hyper-enhanced oil recovery through synthetic bacteria, unlimited biofuel production from lignocellulosic biomass, mega-efficient biohydrogen production, giga-effective carbon sequestration techniques, fast-tracks towards cures for cancer and malaria, destruction of the era of toxic waste, etc....

Ready for the roller coaster?


Yeah baby, yeah! Bring it on!

Now we can all rest. We won't die because of natural diseases. Artificial is always better.
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Re: It's here

Unread postby OZ_DOC » Fri 29 Jun 2007, 23:47:58

For gods sake you people how do you turn

"scientists have repeatedly stressed that synthetic biology may address some of the most daunting problems of our times, such as climate change, energy, health, and water resources."

yes thats right the article states MAY address, into

"hyper-enhanced oil recovery through synthetic bacteria, unlimited biofuel production from lignocellulosic biomass, mega-efficient biohydrogen production, giga-effective carbon sequestration techniques, fast-tracks towards cures for cancer and malaria, destruction of the era of toxic waste, etc "

What unmitigated bullshit some people on this site come up with. This is a new application of genetic engineering, it is a new method of transferring genetic materials btween organisms, and it may have some academic and commercial applications. Get off your soapbox and stop looking at everything with such a scotomic vision and cynicism.
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Re: It's here

Unread postby chumley » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 00:19:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OZ_DOC', 'F')or gods sake you people how do you turn

"scientists have repeatedly stressed that synthetic biology may address some of the most daunting problems of our times, such as climate change, energy, health, and water resources."

yes thats right the article states MAY address, into

"hyper-enhanced oil recovery through synthetic bacteria, unlimited biofuel production from lignocellulosic biomass, mega-efficient biohydrogen production, giga-effective carbon sequestration techniques, fast-tracks towards cures for cancer and malaria, destruction of the era of toxic waste, etc "

What unmitigated bullshit some people on this site come up with. This is a new application of genetic engineering, it is a new method of transferring genetic materials btween organisms, and it may have some academic and commercial applications. Get off your soapbox and stop looking at everything with such a scotomic vision and cynicism.



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seems to me people on these boards want to shoot down anything that contradicts or threatens to offset PO
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Re: It's here

Unread postby Atlantean_Relic » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 00:27:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OZ_DOC', '
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What unmitigated bullshit some people on this site come up with. This is a new application of genetic engineering, it is a new method of transferring genetic materials btween organisms, and it may have some academic and commercial applications. Get off your soapbox and stop looking at everything with such a scotomic vision and cynicism.



Oh so this will best be used to make Super plagues for war, Snip a little AB resistance here, Hemorrhagic quality there, Incubation period of TB and ta da look what science bring us. [smilie=eusa_dance.gif]
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Re: It's here

Unread postby PolestaR » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:16:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chumley', '+')1
seems to me people on these boards want to shoot down anything that contradicts or threatens to offset PO


Yeah so watch out..... :P

Haven't we been hearing about these sorts of breakthroughs for years, cellulosic ethanol, etc. It reminds me of the solar energy industry, constantly announcing breakthroughs and achievements but never delivering. The energy industry seems to be full of con companies out to make a quick investment buck eh.
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Re: It's here

Unread postby gampy » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:29:20

Knowledge, ergo technology is like a knife. You can use it to butter your bread, or stab someone. Knowledge and technology are morally neutral. It's how people use it.

Although people you might have thought moral built an atom bomb and dropped it on a city or two.

So who knows?

At any rate...everyday, there are headlines about some new techno-fix for our troubles. Remember the quantum computer? Nuclear fusion? Cold fusion? Star wars?

It seems hopeful, but it's only a weeee step in one direction. These stories tend to over hype the brightside of things.

People here are not cynical, or Luddites waiting for the world to end. (Well...maybe a few), just realistic. The jury is out and will take a very long recess before we see if it amounts to anything but profits for big pharma.
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Re: It's here

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:34:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chumley', ' ')seems to me people on these boards want to shoot down anything that contradicts or threatens to offset PO


No, we just realize there is no techno-fix for overshoot.

Anything that prolongs the correction makes things worse.
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Re: It's here

Unread postby OnceFueled » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 01:54:07

Man, I can't wait to use 'giga-effective' in a sentence! The chicks will be so impressed!
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Re: It's here

Unread postby kolm » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 02:10:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chumley', ' ')seems to me people on these boards want to shoot down anything that contradicts or threatens to offset PO


No, we just realize there is no techno-fix for overshoot.


Once, there was a techno-fix proposed for overshoot, when ressources of food were dwindling due to climate change. It was called 'agriculture', a dangerous, poorly understood new technology relying on experimental genetical selection, grain placement control, soil optimization by vertical shifting, constant screening processes and artificial watering; later on, soil enrichment with animal feces (!) was added. A pure-bred, evil-as-it-gets techno-fix. Of course, this was short--sighted, never worked out and only made things worse in the long run, just as prophezised. Earth was never designed for more than 250 000 people.
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Re: It's here

Unread postby BastardSquad » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 02:13:24

All doomer tendencies aside.

As a self admitted technophobe,this looks pretty damned cool to me! :)

My belief for quite awhile has not been that there is "no solution", but can/will such a solution be implemented in time (with available energy resources) to make a difference.

Assuming such a solution can be found and implemented in time,will it be accompanied by an equally important paradigm shift which states "we can't grow Infinitely without undermining and nullifying our solution to the current problem".
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Unread postby Nike62 » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 05:42:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kolm', 'O')nce, there was a techno-fix proposed for overshoot, when resources of food were dwindling due to climate change. It was called 'agriculture'


There is something true in what you say, but consider:

1) will we implement in time the new techno-fix?
2) will the new techno-fix leave us in a more robust society?

In effect 'agriculture' lasted for several thousands years, bringing us from 50 millions to 500 millions; then we had 'industrialization', which is only 2 hundred years old and bring us from 500 millions to 6 billions.
Now we have 'genetics'... will it lasts only 50 years? will it bring us from 6 billions to 12 billions? will it reduce us in a even worse plight, i.e. in a desperate need of a new (and more difficult to find) techno-fix? can this stupid scheme go on very long?
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Re: It's here

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 08:57:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bioman', 'T')his is what it looks like:

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Scientists take major step towards 'synthetic life': first bacterial genome transplantation changing one species to another

Soon: hyper-enhanced oil recovery through synthetic bacteria, unlimited biofuel production from lignocellulosic biomass, mega-efficient biohydrogen production, giga-effective carbon sequestration techniques, fast-tracks towards cures for cancer and malaria, destruction of the era of toxic waste, etc....

Ready for the roller coaster?


And I thought this, by the thread title was something important. Trust me, by the time this science can find a use in society that is beneficial having gone through the councils, commitees, testing and public health checks, Peak Oil will have become a thing of the past. Not because this will remove the threat of Peak Oil but because P.O will have long since happened that this science will become redundant.
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Re: It's here

Unread postby mididoctors » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 10:21:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kolm', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('chumley', ' ')seems to me people on these boards want to shoot down anything that contradicts or threatens to offset PO


No, we just realize there is no techno-fix for overshoot.


Once, there was a techno-fix proposed for overshoot, when ressources of food were dwindling due to climate change. It was called 'agriculture', a dangerous, poorly understood new technology relying on experimental genetical selection, grain placement control, soil optimization by vertical shifting, constant screening processes and artificial watering; later on, soil enrichment with animal feces (!) was added. A pure-bred, evil-as-it-gets techno-fix. Of course, this was short--sighted, never worked out and only made things worse in the long run, just as prophezised. Earth was never designed for more than 250 000 people.


in a strange way you are making his argument for him.

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Re: It's here

Unread postby MonteQuest » Sat 30 Jun 2007, 12:21:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BastardSquad', ' ')My belief for quite awhile has not been that there is "no solution", but can/will such a solution be implemented in time (with available energy resources) to make a difference.

Assuming such a solution can be found and implemented in time,will it be accompanied by an equally important paradigm shift which states "we can't grow Infinitely without undermining and nullifying our solution to the current problem".


Oh, a solution has been known for a long time. Powerdown, restrict per capita consumption and reduce the population. That is the only viable long-term solution.

But most of mankind insists on being above the laws of nature, insists we can improve upon nature, or is selfish and short-sighted.

Thus the "techno-fix" is trotted out.
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