[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'T')hanks for the arguments guys. After spending a good amount of time researching this today I have to admit on being mislead regarding the HIV AIDS connection without evaluating enough information. Oh well, live and learn.

[Tyler_JC]

Well, I consider that to be a high enough number to warrent caution.

Also, that number is an average, it could be much higher or lower depending on the individual. I'd hate to be the 1 in 2000 who didn't think it was worth worrying about and ends up sick.

The relatively low risk of transmission is the reason why the number of AIDS infected individuals in the world is relatively low.

AIDS is NOT Influenza. I don't have any medical training but I can at least understand that important detail.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'W')ell, I consider that to be a high enough number to warrent caution.

Also, that number is an average, it could be much higher or lower depending on the individual. I'd hate to be the 1 in 2000 who didn't think it was worth worrying about and ends up sick.

[Tyler_JC]

Well, there are dozens of other unpleasant STDs out there too.

When you combine the risk of infection from all of the other ones too, it starts to make sense.

Personally, I'm more worried about the risk of accidently creating another little Tyler_JC than I am about AIDS...

[master_rb]

TommyJefferson,

do you ever provide any supporting arguments or just make fun of people who have different views than you? maybe if someone died in your family from AIDS you wouldn't be making fun of it

i don't want to steal this thread but GW is not hoax, it just appears to be so far for few reasons and one of them is
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... al+dimming
if you have 50 min to learn about GW please do it or just stay ignorant, choice is yours

i'll try to explain to you how temperatures work on earth in a few simple steps
1) some greenhouse gases keep the heat, one of them is carbon dioxide, with no GG's earth would be FREEZING -18C but we have +15C
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/JudyTang.shtml
2) more GG's = temperature growth as more heat is trapped
3) global dimming = temerature drop as energy is reflected back to space and never captured by earth

so far it's been global dimming vs. GW, it can go either way depending on what and how much we dump in the atmosphere, by saying there is GW you say laws of physics don't work, you can say there have been no serious effects of GW yet but dont' say GW is hoax, it's just a lie

[dukey]

lol
no one is denying the earth is warming up
What people are arguing about is whether CO2 is reponsible

The two arguments are
The earth is warming because of increase solar output
This is happening

The earth is warming because of increased CO2
This is also happening

Which one is right ?
The data shows that there has been a 800 year time lag between CO2 output and temperatures. Where the increase in CO2 happens AFTER the increase in temperature.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13

Back to the aids thing. All the scientists want is for aids to be reapraised. If the hypothesis is correct, what are they so scared of ?

[master_rb]

dukey,

CO2 traps heat, it's a fact, if there is really 800 year lag (i doubt it though, i know nothing in the universe beats the speed of light where it comes to motion so there has to be some delay but 800 yeras is kinda, how to say it?) than you can of course argue wether it's CO2 that's raising temps


if you watched the movie i gave the link to, you would know that global dimming is cousing about 2-4% loss of energy per decate we get
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
how can solar output increase the temps if it we get less energy than before?

GW is real and it's CO2 that's causing it, just wait for methane to escape with its 21 time stronger heat trapping than CO2
http://www.epa.gov/methane/scientific.html (gov website)
oh i forgot we will have 800 year to prepare

cheers

[dukey]

i've seen the movie before
and yes there is a timelag

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i') doubt it though

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') longstanding theory of how HIV slowly depletes the body's capacity to fight infection is wrong, scientists say.

[Falconoffury]

HIV is one virus that needs much more independent peer review and research. We really need to avoid conflicts of interest. Scientists shouldn't be paid to draw false or premature theories.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', ' ')Scientists shouldn't be paid to draw false or premature theories.

[Falconoffury]

They should be paid to be unbiased. The problem is when they get funding from a company that expects the scientist to rule in their favor.

[dukey]

one more .. from a news article from a few months back.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the past 30 years Agnes has had unprotected sex with up to 2,000 infected men. Yet she and a small number of her fellow sex workers are still free from Aids.

[Kylon]

I have a theory of my own on why HIV causes AIDS. However, I don't want to post it here (I wouldn't get any of the credit for it).

[emersonbiggins]

This is fantastic news, if I'm not mistaken. Now, if progress continues, we could possibly consign HIV to the dustbin of history.
Yahoo article$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')otential cure for HIV discovered by Mira Oberman Thu Jun 28, 2:39 PM ET
CHICAGO (AFP) - In a breakthrough that could potentially lead to a cure for HIV infection, scientists have discovered a way to remove the virus from infected cells, a study released Thursday said.
The scientists engineered an enzyme which attacks the DNA of the HIV virus and cuts it out of the infected cell, according to the study published in Science magazine.
... That could change if the enzyme developed by a group of German scientists can be made safe to use on people. That enzyme was able to eliminate the HIV virus from infected human cells in about three months in the laboratory. The researchers engineered an enzyme called Tre which removes the virus from the genome of infected cells by recognizing and then recombining the structure of the virus's DNA. ...

[dukey]

that's great news
now if only HIV was the cause of AIDs we might get somewhere..

[undertaker]

Please no! HIV/AIDS is the best thing since sliced bread! It kills all the right people

[jupiters_release]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 't')hat's great news
now if only HIV was the cause of AIDs we might get somewhere..

[rsch20]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('undertaker', 't')oo horrible to quote

[Kylon]

I'm not a fan of promicious sex, but I came up with this idea for a cure for HIV while responding to another post.
What if instead of targeting the HIV virus, we targetted the receptors of white blood cells?
What if what we did was make an antibody against the receptor that HIV uses to enter in?

That way, because that receptor is plugged up, the HIV particle can't enter?
One possible problem I see is that the white blood cells might end up turning on each other, or maybe not. It all depends. It's still worth a shot. It would give the same kind of immunity that some Europeans have. What do you think?