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"From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 03:22:54

From Peak Oil To Dark Age?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BW', '[')b]Oil output has stalled, and it's not clear the capacity exists to raise production

With global oil production virtually stalled in recent years, controversial predictions that the world is fast approaching maximum petroleum output are looking a bit less controversial. At first blush, those concerned about global warming should be delighted. After all, what better way to prod the move toward carbon-free, climate-friendly alternative energy?

But climate change activists have nothing to cheer about. The U.S. is completely unprepared for peak oil, as it's called, and the wrenching adjustments it would entail could easily accelerate global warming as nations turn to coal (see BusinessWeek.com, 4/19/07, "Rx for Earth: Sooner Not Later"). Moreover, regardless of the implications for climate change, peak oil represents a mortal threat to the U.S. economy.

Peak oil refers to the point at which world oil production plateaus before beginning to decline as depletion of the world's remaining reserves offsets ever-increased drilling. Some experts argue that we're already there, and that we won't exceed by much the daily production high of 84.5 million barrels first reached in 2005. If so, global production will bump along near these levels for years before beginning an inexorable decline.

What would that mean? Alternatives are still a decade away from meeting incremental demand for oil. With nothing to fill the gap, global economic growth would slow, stop, and then reverse; international tensions would soar as nations seek access to diminishing supplies, enriching autocratic rulers in unstable oil states; and, unless other sources of energy could be ramped up with extreme haste, the world could plunge into a new Dark Age. Even as faltering economies burned less oil, carbon loading of the atmosphere might accelerate as countries turn to vastly dirtier coal.

GIVEN SUCH UNPLEASANT possibilities, you'd think peak oil would be a national obsession...


I had posted something earlier about The Independent article that appeared a day ago being just another 1st generation Peak Oil article.

Well, this new BW article is short but suitably alarming. Could it be that 2nd gen PO articles will be hitting the broadsheets?


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') didn't see anything much different about The Independent article than I've seen in many others over the past several years. I don't know why it's considered remarkable.

These articles usually point out that there is a group of scientists who disagree with CERA and the oil companies about how much crude oil will be available in the coming years and decades. They tell a little about M. King Hubbert and the idea of oil production peak following oil discovery peak. They mention the growth of China and India. They mention Chris Skrebowski, Campbell, Deffeyes or whomever and say a little about ASPO or ODAC. Then they warn that the price of gas could double, triple, quadruple in a few short years if the PO crowd is correct. Sometimes they mention alternative energy sources and the problems with those.

But sooner of later there is bound to appear a '2nd generation' Peak Oil article which assumes that the reader is already acquainted with the above details. I guess such a story would only begin making the rounds after a real energy scare and a flurry of media stories about the impending energy crisis.
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby pea-jay » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 03:30:24

Too bad it is a guest editorial.

Still it's progress
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 03:38:18

You know, I bet this sort of news, if it's spread around far and wide by the rest of the MSM is just the ticket to gain the public's acquiescence to permanent garrisons in Iraq and to allow the Democrats a safe way to support a continuation of the war.

I can't locate my posts from probably 2 years ago in which I voiced my suspicions that towards the end of Bush's term, when a new team is set to enter the White House, there would be announcements made about the peaking of world oil production - that we cannot allow our economy to be held hostage and all that.

I think the correct perspective on Iraq is just about to hit the MSM - that the war was all about oil - peak oil, to be exact.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into just one article so far. It just seems to me like BusinessWeek has just written the first 2nd generation Peak Oil piece. It seems obvious that others must follow.

Am I wrong?
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Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 03:49:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'S')till it's progress

The fact that it appeared in Business Week at all is remarkable.

Slowly, progressively, everybody's catching on.
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby pea-jay » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 03:55:00

Iraq was all about delaying peak oil. Maybe they thought it would solve it but really a delay was more realistic. I really believe that BushCo thought things would go swimmingly.

According to the time tables and goals out lined for Iraq in 2002-03 was that a changed iraq would see a flood of investment by western firms that would boost production from 2MBD to 6MBD withing 5 years. Wolfowitz went on the record as stating this would be a way to "break the back of OPEC"

Well, we are approaching five years out from that date, and an extra 4MBD a day of additional production would look might nice right about now. I mean if Iraq had that capacity now and the appereance that further increases were likely (even if they were false) that in itself should have kept the oil markets calmer so we would only be dealing with 30 dollar oil instead of 60+ oil.

I'm pretty sure that beautiful combination of a sucessful war in Iraq, low oil prices, economic growth could have lingered into the 2008 election, enough to cement another Republican victory. The foriegn policy implications of that would have been equally strong. OPEC would be far weaker and that despotic Castro wannabe in Venuzuela (his words not mine) history.

Of course things seldom work out like you intended. If you "dream big" you must be prepared for huge nightmares.
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 03:58:25

I guess I thought the article quite remarkable since BW is a very mainstream magazine.

This is the sort of thing that just might be picked up by CNN and MSNBC. If, in the days and weeks immediately ahead, it is widely reported, then I suspect someone at the control levers of the Mighty Wurlitzer has given the go-ahead for a more serious treatment of the Peak Oil Theory.

This is the first time I've ever read a piece like this in a mainstream mag like BW in which our economy is portrayed as highly vulnerable and terms like "Dark Age" are used to describe our future.
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Unread postby pea-jay » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 04:11:37

I pdf'd it so I can hand it out to those business-minded skeptics that pooh-pooh the idea. Like i said, its progress.
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Unread postby strider3700 » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 12:07:47

Why is it dated from the future?
shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby Leanan » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 12:46:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'W')hy is it dated from the future?


Probably because Business Week is a weekly magazine. Magazines typically date their publications "from the future," to extend their shelf life. Nobody wants to buy an old magazine. So they date the June issue "July," and the newsstands and stores can keep it on the shelf for longer.
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby Twilight » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 13:23:08

At some point peak oil will hit the mainstream not because some lever-puller thinks it's time to prepare public opinion for their next pet project, but because too many national governments and companies start acting on the assumption it is happening. For example, you can't ignore peak oil if Gazprom bases its business model around it. Or if Iran lets slip OPEC reserves corrected for 1988. That sort of thing is in danger of happening now, and it is beyond the influence of people traditionally viewed as pulling the strings. They may not want these headlines, maybe all they can do is firefighting and damage control. But it's going to be hard to push the cornucopian line if the media can point to the governments of half the world's population and half the world's reserves suddenly turning nationalist, and ask "So if resources are abundant, why are they doing things that way?"

Reality is breaking through all by itself. Pragmatic action is starting to be taken. Denials are becoming more desperate and only fundamental public ignorance stands in the way.
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby Eli » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 14:04:32

Yes Twilight is right, I still wonder if it will ever be described as PO though it very well may be.

This article does a very nice job of explaining where we are at right now. The only specter not fully revealed is that there is a good chance right now that Saudi has peaked.

The stuff at TOD leads me to believe they have, and KSA not meeting Asian supply contracts.

The dark ages, is probably a good way to put it.
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby shortonoil » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 14:18:23

Twilight said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t some point peak oil will hit the mainstream not because some lever-puller thinks it's time to prepare public opinion for their next pet project, but because too many national governments and companies start acting on the assumption it is happening.


It is happening, and the lever-pulling Bozos have been caught with their pants way below their knees. They didn’t know it was coming until fairly recently. The EIA and big influential firms like CERA have been telling them; “not for 40 years”. Now they are stuck with Iraq, that was taken to control oil prices; they can’t control the prices, they can’t control the oil and they can’t get rid of it. So they are going to fall on their swords. They’re calling up their buddies at MSMBC central and telling them, tell all the eaters; “Peak Oil is Here. If you don’t re-elect us, the Fascist Islamic Terrorist will have all the oil.”

You can smell Carl Rove from here!
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 14:38:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]Twilight said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')t some point peak oil will hit the mainstream not because some lever-puller thinks it's time to prepare public opinion for their next pet project, but because too many national governments and companies start acting on the assumption it is happening.


It is happening, and the lever-pulling Bozos have been caught with their pants way below their knees. They didn’t know it was coming until fairly recently. The EIA and big influential firms like CERA have been telling them; “not for 40 years”. Now they are stuck with Iraq, that was taken to control oil prices; they can’t control the prices, they can’t control the oil and they can’t get rid of it. So they are going to fall on their swords. They’re calling up their buddies at MSMBC central and telling them, tell all the eaters; “Peak Oil is Here. If you don’t re-elect us, the Fascist Islamic Terrorist will have all the oil.”

You can smell Carl Rove from here!


I would be surprised if Businessweek didn't know what was coming. They chose to look the other way, or not dig deeper. Do you think journalists are by and large, retarded? They are edited and censored.
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby Twilight » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 15:01:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'D')o you think journalists are by and large, retarded?

Yes.

Eh, not exactly. Just often not qualified to discuss the subject.

How many do you think are in a position to decide which out of CERA or ASPO is more authoritative?
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Unread postby threadbear » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 15:15:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'D')o you think journalists are by and large, retarded?

Yes.

Eh, not exactly. Just often not qualified to discuss the subject.

How many do you think are in a position to decide which out of CERA or ASPO is more authoritative?



Businessweek is way behind the curve on geologic peak and can be gauranteed to continue supporting an industry neutral or friendly tone when their coverage amps up.

Why didn't they report this?

From the Atlanta Journal Constitution:

BP memo links budget cuts, oil spill

Severe company budget cuts at a time when BP PLC was making huge profits put pressure on managers to ignore corrosion protection at the oil company's North Slope pipelines that sprung leaks last year, according to internal company documents. A House committee investigating the Alaska spills, which forced a partial shutdown of Prudhoe Bay oil production last summer, released a half-dozen e-mails and other documents that showed that anti-corrosion programs repeatedly were targeted for cost cutting, including on the lines that eventually failed. "BP field managers were being asked to choose between saving money and critical maintenance," said Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), chairman of the Energy and Commerce investigations subcommittee. He said the cost-cutting from 1999 through 2005 came at a time London-based BP PLC made a total of more than $106 billion in profits.
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby Twilight » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 15:49:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'B')usinessweek is way behind the curve on geologic peak and can be gauranteed to continue supporting an industry neutral or friendly tone when their coverage amps up.

When a story becomes established as a regular feature, editorial policy may come into play.

While a story is not established, deficiencies in coverage are more easily explained by the writer being an arts major working with a reseacher fresh out of university. Being generalists not specialists even at an ostensibly specialised title, they will simply not have spent enough time (or had the opportunity even if they wished) on background reading to make their own judgements on any subject area.

At this early stage of story development, most journalists don't see the fine detail, they don't see the subtleties, and if they need to weight up the credibility of a source, they phone a personal acquaintance who might offer an opinion. Otherwise they treat all sides as equal parties to a controversy. They don't know any better and it's easier than going out on a limb. I doubt there is quite as much censorship as there are writers who are not well versed in the relevant concepts.

Eventually, you may become right, enough media people qualified to discuss the subject will be discussing it, and restrictive editorial policies may come into play. Not yet. Right now people genuinely have not had to sit down and connect the dots.
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 16:22:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'B')usinessweek is way behind the curve on geologic peak and can be gauranteed to continue supporting an industry neutral or friendly tone when their coverage amps up.

When a story becomes established as a regular feature, editorial policy may come into play.

While a story is not established, deficiencies in coverage are more easily explained by the writer being an arts major working with a reseacher fresh out of university. Being generalists not specialists even at an ostensibly specialised title, they will simply not have spent enough time (or had the opportunity even if they wished) on background reading to make their own judgements on any subject area.

At this early stage of story development, most journalists don't see the fine detail, they don't see the subtleties, and if they need to weight up the credibility of a source, they phone a personal acquaintance who might offer an opinion. Otherwise they treat all sides as equal parties to a controversy. They don't know any better and it's easier than going out on a limb. I doubt there is quite as much censorship as there are writers who are not well versed in the relevant concepts.

Eventually, you may become right, enough media people qualified to discuss the subject will be discussing it, and restrictive editorial policies may come into play. Not yet. Right now people genuinely have not had to sit down and connect the dots.


I have friends and family in the business (journalism) I can assure you that what is ommitted, is a matter of editorial policy and is established, from the top. Editorial decisions are subject to change at any given time. They yield to reality, but tend to bend along the lines of the status quo. Read Chomsky
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby Carlhole » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 18:41:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') can assure you that what is ommitted, is a matter of editorial policy and is established, from the top. Editorial decisions are subject to change at any given time. They yield to reality, but tend to bend along the lines of the status quo. Read Chomsky


Shit, yes!

All news is spun to some extent. Otherwise stories would not differ much throughout the world. But they do.

The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, for example, is spun terrfically here in the US: Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land, Part 1

Also, the film '911 Press For Truth' was all about the failure of journalism to connect its own dots. That is, important stories appeared in the news from one source or another, but the media as a whole failed to consolidate these stories into a coherent, integrated narrative with the accompanying questions the big picture raises. It was easy for people at the top to simply say, "No, we won't print this story".

If the kind of competition espoused by Adam Smith were the norm in journalism and other media circles, there would be a wider variety of views that consumers of news could choose from. But what we have nowadays, is integrated news media that is owned by only a few very large corporations. Thus we have books such as Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Consent' that talks about the way that skewed news presentations amount to propaganda.
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Unread postby shortonoil » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 18:42:03

from threadbear:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')evere company budget cuts at a time when BP PLC was making huge profits put pressure on managers to ignore corrosion protection at the oil company's North Slope pipelines that sprung leaks last year, according to internal company documents.


A little disingenuous? This article is a least two years old, and they are referring to BP’s budget cuts before oil took its meteoric moon shoot. Margins in the late 90’s were low and all the oil companies were showing poor balance sheets; many of them had cut cost to the bone, including maintenance. Have you been taking lessons from journalists?
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Re: "From Peak Oil To Dark Age? - BusinessWeek (Wow!)

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 15 Jun 2007, 20:54:53

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A little disingenuous? This article is a least two years old, and they are referring to BP’s budget cuts before oil took its meteoric moon shoot.


This article is dated May 17, 07, and it's referencing an incident that occured last summer. Please reread. Are you intentionally misleading, Shortonoil?

"A House committee investigating the Alaska spills, which forced a partial shutdown of Prudhoe Bay oil production last summer, released a half-dozen e-mails and other documents that showed that anti-corrosion programs repeatedly were targeted for cost cutting, including on the lines that eventually failed."
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