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PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby I_Like_Plants » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 17:47:27

Since when did this thread become one on 9-11 kook theories starting plantgenetics??

The bigger picture is the fact that 90% of the world's population needs to die, preferably "yesterday" but now will work OK too.

The bigger picture is that hydrogen, ethanol, or the blatherings of Deepak Chopra will not save us.

The bigger picture is that the latest X-box will not save us, or growing a few carrots in the back yard (although doing that would be revolutionary for most 'Murkans) and learning to hike cross-country, learning to knap an arrowhead, or how to play a wooden flute will probably not make a damned bit of difference in any of our survival.

The bigger picture is the US (and most of the rest of the world) needs those suicide booths like on the first episode of Futurama.

Let's get back on topic here.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby Pops » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 19:12:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC quite a while back', 'M')aybe because sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

The entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove". :roll:


I am sure glad that TPTB here at PO.com decided to hide the Open a little so at least lurkers don't decide we are a bunch of Tin Foil Troubadours before even taking a cursory look.

Stupid, spoiled, bored monkeys.

For your grandkids' sake, get your head out of your monitor and do something - anything, instead of stroking to the smell of imaginary herring.

Christ.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby threadbear » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 20:29:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC quite a while back', 'M')aybe because sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

The entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove". :roll:


I am sure glad that TPTB here at PO.com decided to hide the Open a little so at least lurkers don't decide we are a bunch of Tin Foil Troubadours before even taking a cursory look.

Stupid, spoiled, bored monkeys.

For your grandkids' sake, get your head out of your monitor and do something - anything, instead of stroking to the smell of imaginary herring.

Christ.


Pop brings up a good point. We have been stupid. Ad hominem attacks are supposedly NOT allowed on Peak Oil and should be reported. We have been profoundly stupid to allow it to continue. We have put our hearts and souls and as much intellect as we can muster into this subject, and it's inappropriate to let people degrade that effort, without reporting them.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby Tyler_JC » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 20:55:02

Plantagenet, give Carlhole a hug.

Carlhole, give Plantagenet a hug.

Now can we all be friends again?

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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby TWilliam » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 21:00:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 't')he smell of imaginary {red} herring


So, if the herring is imaginary, that would imply that the issue at hand is, in fact, not a red herring and is therefore worthy of discussion.

Thanks for your support Pops... :-D :wink:
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby threadbear » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 21:04:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'P')lantagenet, give Carlhole a hug.

Carlhole, give Plantagenet a hug.

Now can we all be friends again?

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This kind of approach is also a little annoying. Try it on Montequest and see how far it gets you. 8O Perhaps we should all be as intolerant.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby CrudeAwakening » Mon 11 Jun 2007, 21:27:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')I am sure glad that TPTB here at PO.com decided to hide the Open a little so at least lurkers don't decide we are a bunch of Tin Foil Troubadours before even taking a cursory look.

Stupid, spoiled, bored monkeys.

For your grandkids' sake, get your head out of your monitor and do something - anything, instead of stroking to the smell of imaginary herring.

Christ.

Do you also feel this way about the plethora of Paris Hilton threads that are currently multiplying like yeast on an agar plate?

TWilliam has recently started a thread where you can feel free to register your disapproval. Or is your ire limited to threads like these?
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby Carlhole » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 00:26:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC quite a while back', 'M')aybe because sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

The entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove". :roll:


I am sure glad that TPTB here at PO.com decided to hide the Open a little so at least lurkers don't decide we are a bunch of Tin Foil Troubadours before even taking a cursory look.

Stupid, spoiled, bored monkeys.

For your grandkids' sake, get your head out of your monitor and do something - anything, instead of stroking to the smell of imaginary herring.

Christ.


Those building collapses really, really seemed totally bogus to me the day it happened and they still do today when I watch them again on film.

It has nothing to do with being stupid or bored or being a monkey. Things simply fall faster through the air than they do when they collide with immensely strong structural steel framework. I can't believe I'm actually having to argue vociferously about this.

And once you understand that explosives MUST have been used on those buildings in order for them to fall at speeds approaching freefall, all the events that happened afterwards take on a different meaning than they do for people who simply swallow the official jism.

If you think that explosives were used in the collapses, it colors your whole perception of the War In Iraq, which was one of the direct consequences of the 911 attacks.

Contrary to many in the 911 Truth Movement, I also happen to believe that the world is nearing a maximum in conventional oil production. Ergo, it makes total sense to me that the US would drum up some reason such as being attacked by a convenient enemy to invade and occupy the valuable and immensely strategic oil heartlands of the planet.

This is what I think mmasters was referring to, along with currency considerations and other economics, when he made his original post:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'I') think it's interesting how many here have questioned peak oil and become aware yet haven't questioned much else. As if peak oil we're the only thing being kept hidden from the public mind. That there's no agenda with our money system. Our government is only incompetent. The democrats "can" make a difference. There was no conspiracy on 9-11. There is no new world order agenda. That peak oil doesn't tie into a bigger picture.

It's as if some folks couldn't decide between taking the blue pill or the red pill so they just decided to take them both. Either that or peak oil was too much for them to handle and they've become too chickenshit to dig any deeper. :razz:


Of course, Peak Oil and 911 tie in to a bigger picture. But, I am continually having to argue my quite obvious case - that objects fall faster through air than they do through structural steel - with people such as Tyler, JC and/or Pops and many oter refuseniks who think that objects fall through structural steel just as fast as they do through air.

In my frame of reference, it is Pops and Tyler who are just plain nuts. How can anyone argue with such an obvious point?

It is those people who cannot see that the buildings in NY were deliberately demolished who refuse to see the "Bigger Picture" through their own willful ignorance.

I'm more than happy and patient to argue with anyone at all that objects falling upon immensely strong structural steel frameworks are stopped cold or significantly impeded as compared to the resistance put up by mere air. If you can demonstrate the error in such thinking, please have the courage and intelligence to do so.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby roccman » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 00:34:17

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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby Carlhole » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 00:47:30

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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby mmasters » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 01:03:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'C')ontrary to many in the 911 Truth Movement, I also happen to believe that the world is nearing a maximum in conventional oil production. Ergo, it makes total sense to me that the US would drum up some reason such as being attacked by a convenient enemy to invade and occupy the valuable and immensely strategic oil heartlands of the planet.

This is what I think mmasters was referring to, along with currency considerations and other economics, when he made his original post


Yeah, I just get frustrated sometimes seeing all the people that park on peak oil and don't dig further.

Peak oil is most certainly part of a larger context and for those who aren't seeing it PO in itself can be a bit misleading.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby NEOPO » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 17:04:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'C')ontrary to many in the 911 Truth Movement, I also happen to believe that the world is nearing a maximum in conventional oil production. Ergo, it makes total sense to me that the US would drum up some reason such as being attacked by a convenient enemy to invade and occupy the valuable and immensely strategic oil heartlands of the planet.

This is what I think mmasters was referring to, along with currency considerations and other economics, when he made his original post


Yeah, I just get frustrated sometimes seeing all the people that park on peak oil and don't dig further.

Peak oil is most certainly part of a larger context and for those who aren't seeing it PO in itself can be a bit misleading.

"You can't have your pudding if you don't eat yer meat" :)

Do not let it get you down man.

There is much more to see wether anyone wants to see it or not, regardless of how relevant or irrelevant, regardless of wether the data can be put to some practical and "good" use or not..... IMHO it sounds like a bunch of excuses to remain mentally lazy.


Imagine how down right strange it would seem if anyone/everyone suddenly "got it".... twilight zone music right?
I am starting to appreciate the "warm fuzzy" feelings that my current knowledge base is providing 8)

BTW, F all YI and beside the fact that I believe 911 was MIHOP, this is not the 911 thread.

We need to realize that indeed we are special, gifted, talented, extraordinary and that the majority simply will never realize the truth's we have come to understand.

It is not just IQ, personal experience, intuition or what have you, it is a combination of these things and more and it is quite apparent that it does not occur often.

Few and far between, each like a whale with many small fish swimming around us and feeding from our scraps.

YEP, YOU know who you are and you know that if anyone changes anything that it won't be you unless you are forced.

Thanks for the honorable mention Wildrose yet I never suggested "dropping out" only or totally but rather learning and spreading a new way that is sustainable.
Drop out of unsustainability...

Try to laugh more often my friends as at this point and minus the individual changes we can promote there really isnt much more to do :lol:
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 17:14:52

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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby threadbear » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 18:03:08

SPG, What is your point? I actually have a sister who is schizophrenic, suffers a great deal because of it, and if you think it's appropriate to degrade that kind of suffering, in an attempt to smear the credibility of the people on this forum, you're off base on many levels. Take your immature attitude elsewhere, thanks.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby davep » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 18:07:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')PG, What is your point? I actually have a sister who is schizophrenic, suffers a great deal because of it, and if you think it's appropriate to degrade that kind of suffering, in an attempt to smear the credibility of the people on this forum, you're off base on many levels. Take your immature attitude elsewhere, thanks.


I think it's just the equivalent of a [smilie=5dunce.gif] emoticon, but funnier.

When I lost my daughter in a car crash, I was very sensitive to inappropriate humour for a while. However, you have to realise that not everybody has had the misfortune to go through what you have, and you should be thankful they can still be lighthearted about it.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby threadbear » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 18:25:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('davep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')PG, What is your point? I actually have a sister who is schizophrenic, suffers a great deal because of it, and if you think it's appropriate to degrade that kind of suffering, in an attempt to smear the credibility of the people on this forum, you're off base on many levels. Take your immature attitude elsewhere, thanks.


I think it's just the equivalent of a [smilie=5dunce.gif] emoticon, but funnier.

When I lost my daughter in a car crash, I was very sensitive to inappropriate humour for a while. However, you have to realise that not everybody has had the misfortune to go through what you have, and you should be thankful they can still be lighthearted about it.


Sure even I can joke about schizophrenia, in certain contexts, but in this one....no. This topic is DEAD serious. I'm not insufferably PC by a long shot.

Sorry about your daughter and you can be sure if anyone ever reduces not only that suffering but all of your best efforts at trying to understand the world, BACK to the suffering of your family, in an attempt at humour, I will support you.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 18:51:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')ure even I can joke about schizophrenia, in certain contexts, but in this one....no. This topic is DEAD serious. I'm not insufferably PC by a long shot.

Zyprexa is an anti-psychotic. It is useful for treating paranoid delusions regardless of the specific diagnosis inducing the delusions.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby Carlhole » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 18:57:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')ure even I can joke about schizophrenia, in certain contexts, but in this one....no. This topic is DEAD serious. I'm not insufferably PC by a long shot.

Zyprexa is an anti-psychotic. It is useful for treating paranoid delusions regardless of the specific diagnosis inducing the delusions.


Oh, go find a drug for fat grumpy cowism and take it.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby smallpoxgirl » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 19:34:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'O')h, go find a drug for fat grumpy cowism and take it.


:lol: That was beautiful. Score one for Carlhole.
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Re: PO.com Denial Towards the "Bigger Picture"

Postby Carlhole » Tue 12 Jun 2007, 20:29:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'O')h, go find a drug for fat grumpy cowism and take it.


:lol: That was beautiful. Score one for Carlhole.


Perhaps you like to elaborate on your own view of how Peak Oil fits in to the "Bigger Picture". Or maybe you don't think there is a bigger picture?

...just a couple of short paragraphs to give the gist.
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