OK I watched Who Killed The Electric Car this week and it got me to thinking. What won't we need to manufacture if a moderate percentage of driver were to switch to pure EV's?
By whatever percentage you pick you eliminate that many
Air Filters
Spark plugs
intake manifolds
Fuel pumps
exhaust manifolds
catalytic converters
exhaust pipes
mufflers
gas tanks
oil filters
transmission filters
ignition controll modual/distributors
spark plug wires
Anything else to do with ignition, air intake, air exhaust, fuel storage and delivery.....
In other words you eliminate the jobs for the people producing that portion of those products, the manhours of the mechanics who would install and maintain those items is also reduced proportionately.
Perhaps this is the real reason EV's are frowned upon, imagine the hit to the world economy of transitioning from maufacturing all the things which are nessecery for the gasoline/diesel engine which are not needed for the EV.
That is the real demand destruction, the government could easily mandate meters for your EV charger and tax you as easily as they do for gasoline/diesel fuel. All those unemployed parts workers would be a major hit on the economy, and all the general mechanics who would no longer be needed as well would be another hit.
What say you?
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What won't we need for EV's
What won't we need for EV's
by Tanada » Sat 09 Jun 2007, 08:34:09
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Re: What won't we need for EV's
by Tyler_JC » Sat 09 Jun 2007, 12:30:58
OK I watched Who Killed The Gasoline Car this week and it got me to thinking. What won't we need to manufacture if we switch to gasoline instead of horses and carriages?
You eliminate:
Stables
Feed for horses
wooden wheels
cobblestone streets
horse shoes
pitch forks for the hay
farming equipment to grow the hay
barns
horse feeding and watering stations
horse trainers
horse breeders
carpenters
Anything else to do with horses, buggy whips, carriages, dirt roads, barns, animal husbandry, hay farmings will go.
In other words you eliminate the jobs for the people producing that portion of those products, the manhours of the carpenters, farmers, etc. who would grow or build those items is also reduced proportionately.
Perhaps this is the real reason automobiles are frowned upon, imagine the hit to the world economy of transitioning from maufacturing all the things which are nessecery for the animal-based transportation network which are not needed for the gasoline cars.
That is the real demand destruction, the government could easily mandate meters for your gas stations and tax you as easily as they do for animal feed. But all those unemployed farmers and carpenters would be a major hit on the economy, and all the general animal husbandry professionals who would no longer be needed as well would be another hit.
What say you?
It's called capitalism. When one industry is no longer profitably, it disappears to be replaced by something else. All of the employees from that industry are freed up to do something else. Or they sit around unemployed and miserable.
Overall the hit to the economy is softened by the creation of new industries and new jobs.
The market will push people out of energy-intensive work and pull them into new, lower-energy use occupations.
You eliminate:
Stables
Feed for horses
wooden wheels
cobblestone streets
horse shoes
pitch forks for the hay
farming equipment to grow the hay
barns
horse feeding and watering stations
horse trainers
horse breeders
carpenters
Anything else to do with horses, buggy whips, carriages, dirt roads, barns, animal husbandry, hay farmings will go.
In other words you eliminate the jobs for the people producing that portion of those products, the manhours of the carpenters, farmers, etc. who would grow or build those items is also reduced proportionately.
Perhaps this is the real reason automobiles are frowned upon, imagine the hit to the world economy of transitioning from maufacturing all the things which are nessecery for the animal-based transportation network which are not needed for the gasoline cars.
That is the real demand destruction, the government could easily mandate meters for your gas stations and tax you as easily as they do for animal feed. But all those unemployed farmers and carpenters would be a major hit on the economy, and all the general animal husbandry professionals who would no longer be needed as well would be another hit.
What say you?
It's called capitalism. When one industry is no longer profitably, it disappears to be replaced by something else. All of the employees from that industry are freed up to do something else. Or they sit around unemployed and miserable.
Overall the hit to the economy is softened by the creation of new industries and new jobs.
The market will push people out of energy-intensive work and pull them into new, lower-energy use occupations.
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Re: What won't we need for EV's
by MonteQuest » Sat 09 Jun 2007, 12:52:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'W')hat say you?
I say that the ICE infrastructure is far more complex and ingrained than the horse and buggy days ever dreamed of. Not to mention the transition was done over time when the world held a little over a billion and a half people with abundant oil at pennies per barrel.
A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Re: What won't we need for EV's
by steam_cannon » Sat 09 Jun 2007, 13:47:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'W')hat say you?
I'd say the car had advantages over the horse and the rich were interested in it becoming more popular. The electric car is similar cost, not faster or better performing, and the wealthy can still roll down the road for a long time... The electric car is very different then comparing horses and cars. The electric car could even give back control of the fuel source back to the poor! Definitely not in the interest of the wealthy. To compare to the Internal Combustion Engine, like horses to cars... The new vehicle would have to be something like magical a flying car that slowly destroys the earths magnetic field but requires no conventional fuel. But hey I liked your comparison, it made me laugh
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I')t's called capitalism.
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