[Omnitir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UFCjunkie', 'w')ithout oil we won't devolop more new techs we wont even be able to produce materia for the experiments. Or what is yor plan with that? How are we going to keep the technology growt in a world without oil?

[TheDude]

Hmm, lots of things to address.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'T')hat's that common conclusion that people come to when they anthropomorphise an artificial intelligence. If this intelligence was like a human mind, than it probably would destroy all humans. But the human mind is only one small area of all possible minds. It won't necessarily think like we do. It depends how we build it. If it's built the right way, it could naturally desire to help people.

[johnmarkos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'I')t won't necessarily think like we do. It depends how we build it. If it's built the right way, it could naturally desire to help people.

[TheDude]

One would certainly hope they're not working on a superpowerful AI version of Dick Cheney. Which is related to my point regarding the Haves sequestering themselves from us Have Nots. Bit of a philosophical minefield here.
I found a post from a few years back on Peak Oil and the Omega Point.

[Omnitir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '
')Mmmm, ever read Jack Williamson's story With Folded Hands? Robots protect humanity - to a fault. Won't let us turn on burners - too dangerous. Perhaps a reductio ad absurdum but it gets the point across.

[Omnitir]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'I')t won't necessarily think like we do. It depends how we build it. If it's built the right way, it could naturally desire to help people.

[UFCjunkie]

To me this sounds like the war between the humans and the machines.

I believe the machines would wipe the waste (us) out when they don't need us anymore, why wouldn't they? Because they need pets?, food?

I believe we will be usless and be killed one way or another.

I think that heading to singularity is giving up the fight without even fighting. I think this society realy need a time of anarchy where we humans destroy everything that can achieve singularity. Because to me it sounds like the end of humans and the begining of the machines or whatever. I'm a human I want to be human I will fight for the humans. I want anarchy until this mad scientists are dead and gone. Who need that technology? Not the humans, maybe the coming race but I'm a human I want to live like a human.

I hope that the economic crash and peak oil will put a stop to this progress and that billions of hungry people will see there power over small govenrments. The armys are the people they wont kill there families, because they would have to.

This is my dream though, that man will once again take control. Fuck the machines, they are for the weak. Fight the machines because they will fight us.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')et's just hope that the military doesn't build Skynet before a university or business builds Friendlynet. Shocked

[Omnitir]

"The human mind likes a strange idea as little as the body likes a strange protein and resists it with a similar energy."
- W. I. Beveridge








$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'I') humbly bow before your obvious wisdom that can only exist with such a large post count.

[rsch20]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'O')ne would certainly hope they're not working on a superpowerful AI version of Dick Cheney. Which is related to my point regarding the Haves sequestering themselves from us Have Nots. Bit of a philosophical minefield here.
I found a post from a few years back on Peak Oil and the Omega Point.

[johnmarkos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rsch20', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'Y')eah, I was reading recently that our brains give us the same biochemical rewards for altruistic behavior that they do for food and sex. If we can reproduce a similar reward system in bots, maybe they won't kill us all. They'll feel good when they help us. So all we have to do is make the AIs altruism fetishists, just like humans, maybe more so. Make them extra good and extra smart.

Of course, once they start building better versions of themselves, they could rip out those silly three laws and come up with their own morality. Nonetheless, if they start out with a desire to be good hard wired in their little positronic brains, maybe we have a chance of that morality influencing the designs they make, too.

[johnmarkos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'I')t won't necessarily think like we do. It depends how we build it. If it's built the right way, it could naturally desire to help people.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', '
')My point is that AI would need human-like morality, and to get that, its experience of the world would need to be as human-like as possible

[johnmarkos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', '
')My point is that AI would need human-like morality, and to get that, its experience of the world would need to be as human-like as possible

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'I') posit that to be moral, an AI would need to experience pleasure and pain.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'R')eacting to recent research that shows that being "good" causes a pleasurable response in the brain like that experienced during food or sex, I posited that human morality is based on pleasure and pain. That is, morality is an evolutionary adaptation that favors the survival of the species. We learn morality by figuring out which behaviors make us feel good. I posit that to be moral, an AI would need to experience pleasure and pain.

[johnmarkos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'R')eacting to recent research that shows that being "good" causes a pleasurable response in the brain like that experienced during food or sex, I posited that human morality is based on pleasure and pain. That is, morality is an evolutionary adaptation that favors the survival of the species. We learn morality by figuring out which behaviors make us feel good. I posit that to be moral, an AI would need to experience pleasure and pain.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', ' ')A moral robot wouldn't try to reprogram its own morality, at least not to become more evil.

[UFCjunkie]

These last few days I've been thinking about this new, modern, high tech world some people here talks about.

I just can't get it that it will be good for us. We can't even possible know how it's going to be like. I think it will be a even more mad world than it is now. But we can't imagine how mad until we're there.

I think we will find out that we have lived in an illusion that we are goint to save the world with tech but in the real world we have built our killers. We will by ourselfs build the next race that will wipe us out. Nature couldn't make a animal that would wipe us out we would kill it before it reach any stage where it began to be a treath. Instead we will build it our self in belief that we build a savior to the world, but infact we build our own executioner. We wont realise it until it's too late and when it's a fact.

I can't imagine another outcome. And the road to our extermination will only get nastier and nastier. This will be our fuel to keep on dreaming about this high tech that is going to "save" us.

We humans will more and more leave our humanity and we will more and more loose our human feelings and meaning. We wont any longer have our male and femal standards, male and femal will have the same positions and will almost look identical, body and style. We will all be faggots or bisexuall all others will be narrow minded and "old" way of thinking. I also think sience will be mutch involved with births and birthcontrol.

We wont have much privacy and we will be followed every step we take and if the governments can track us when ever they want to, how long back they want. We will all be more in the system than we ever could imagine possible. The crime rate will surely fall to a alltime low thanks to our more controlled society we ever seen. This will be one of the factors that will keep this illusion seem real.

Many people see a high tech future as a better way to live and a way out of our problems. In fact we will be in more problems than ever and we will feel more like prisoners than ever.

But I think we have a choice. We can stop this from happening. We can change the future from being the end of humanity as we know it. We who still want to live like nature has shaped our bodies and minds, can survive and live like we are suppose to. All we have to do is stop the society from go any further in to its self destructed way of life. We have the greatest chance on earth soon with peak oil. Now finally we have the chance to hit back on the society. Thousands of years in captivity will set free when the governments loose their vicious power. If we don't react now we will follow humanity to its grave. We still do have a chance to stop this madness.

These coming years we have to be ready! When the shit goes down we better be ready. Anarchy have to rise and rule the world for some time before all of the society is burnt to the ground in ashes. Then we can rebuild our human race and be stronger than ever before without hightechnology effecting our bodies and lives. If we don't react we will be captives for all of our lives and we will die as captives.

Don't you belive me that this is the way it going to be? No? Prove me wrong or at least give me a reason why the techno society don't will look like I have tried to describe above.

So this is my 2 cents of what is going to happen in the future. But the thing is that I think the ONLY way for us to live is in and with nature. All other kinds of lives is not for us humans and if we choose anothyer way of life, our consequence will be death.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here is no absoluate morality, and it is naive to assume an AI robot who was free to make up his own "mind" would find the same things to be immoral and moral that you do.