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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby jdmartin » Thu 24 May 2007, 22:58:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Windmills', 'I') wonder if we'll see retailers of different kinds try to get rid of credit card sales in the future and only accept payments in cash, a bit of a reversal of past trends. There are a lot of middlemen that need to get stripped from the market.


There's a station down the street from me that does that. I quit using them because I prefer pay at the pump, especially now that I got to wait in line behind all these lottery winner wannabees. And I get 5% back from Shell using my shell card. That particular station charges 4% for using a credit card.
After fueling up their cars, Twyman says they bowed their heads and asked God for cheaper gas.There was no immediate answer, but he says other motorists joined in and the service station owner didn't run them off.
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby catbox » Thu 24 May 2007, 23:11:50

This said it all for me, "Sales up, profit down".
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby Joe0Bloggs » Thu 24 May 2007, 23:56:15

Why anyone would accept credit card payment under such terms is beyond me.

Plenty of examples of cash discounts and credit card premiums here.
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby advancedatheist » Fri 25 May 2007, 01:38:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', ' ') Yet, would it be a better world if all of those people working in the local Quicki Mart spent their time trying to steal from me instead of sell to me? I can ignore the ads and the pitches, harder to ignore those folks who feel the need to take.


We wouldn't have this problem with a rational immigration policy in the U.S.
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby cube » Fri 25 May 2007, 04:28:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'I') think this is more of a problem of "over-capacity" and not necessarily energy related.

IMHO there is an extreme over-capacity of retail. There are too many:
1) restaurants
2) gas stations
3) clothing stores
4) just about everything across the board.


Damnit, yeah! There are just too damn many business owners and too many damn jobs. Get rid of some of those businesses and jobs and things would be a lot better.
An over-capacity in retail does not necessarily == more jobs.

For example there's a brand new (and very beautiful) grocery store 15min walking distance from my house. There must be about 10 cash registers in that store. You know how many cashiers usually work there at any given time?

2....yes you read that correctly just two cashiers!

The store only needs 2 cash registers open because people barely go shopping there. This is what I mean by over-capacity. Sorry Ludi but you are wrong.

We do not have "too many damn jobs".....I certainly don't see any help wanted signs for cashiers in that store.

This is Cube's summary of the state of the US economy:

There are plenty of cash registers but there is no need for more cashiers. :roll:
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby vision-master » Fri 25 May 2007, 08:56:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Windmills', 'I') wonder if we'll see retailers of different kinds try to get rid of credit card sales in the future and only accept payments in cash, a bit of a reversal of past trends. There are a lot of middlemen that need to get stripped from the market.


There's a station down the street from me that does that. I quit using them because I prefer pay at the pump, especially now that I got to wait in line behind all these lottery winner wannabees. And I get 5% back from Shell using my shell card. That particular station charges 4% for using a credit card.


1st off. The station dosen't charge you 4% for using a card, the credit card company does. 2cd. Credit cards are evil. Period! Cut em up. NOW. If'n you don't have the cash, DON'T BUY! You are rasing prices for the cash & carry folk. We hate your kind!
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby wisconsin_cur » Fri 25 May 2007, 09:18:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('advancedatheist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', ' ') Yet, would it be a better world if all of those people working in the local Quicki Mart spent their time trying to steal from me instead of sell to me? I can ignore the ads and the pitches, harder to ignore those folks who feel the need to take.


We wouldn't have this problem with a rational immigration policy in the U.S.


I have a feeling this depends upon the part of the country that you live in. In my part of the world these jobs are not taken by illegals. They are taken by kids in High School, adults without any education beyond H.S. and the occasional retired man or woman. The occasional large dairy farm hires immigrants (though more hire the folks like I described above) and we still have a lot of Quiki Marts
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Gas-Station Owner Boycott

Postby pjd2 » Fri 25 May 2007, 11:46:20

I think this is where to post this, please move if needed.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/25/gaspri ... index.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he owner of Towne Market Mobil in this suburb north of Milwaukee shut down his pumps for 24 hours, hoping to start a movement aimed at convincing oil companies to lower their prices.


Some of my favorite tidbit:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')aria McClory, 38, drove 10 miles out of her way to buy a diet soda from Pollack's station after seeing local television coverage of the protest.

"I just wanted to support them and thank them for making a statement," said McClory, who drives about 100 miles a day for work in her sport utility vehicle.
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Re: Gas-Station Owner Boycott

Postby vision-master » Fri 25 May 2007, 12:21:29

Sounds like a boycott Wally World. As horse-shit a company WW is, the sheeple still flock there to get that cheap china crap.
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Re: Gas-Station Owner Boycott

Postby Twilight » Fri 25 May 2007, 14:12:33

Those who will fail to adapt are so easy to spot.
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Re: Gas-Station Owner Boycott

Postby erb » Fri 25 May 2007, 16:27:00

and from the staion manager

"chwartz called that "outrageous" and said even he can't fill up his SUV at that price.

"If it keeps going like this, my kids will never be able to afford to drive," said Schwartz, who has an 18-year-old son and 15-year-old daughter."


your right they wont drive

i told my sister in law that her 2 year old would probly never drive and she thought i was crazy
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Re: Gas-Station Owner Boycott

Postby strider3700 » Fri 25 May 2007, 17:32:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erb', '
')i told my sister in law that her 2 year old would probly never drive and she thought i was crazy


Heh I'm thinking of kids right now and when talking about schooling with my wife the conversation includes lots of home schooling. I'm not sure if she thinks I'm anti public school or if she realizes I don't think public school will really be functioning in 6-7 years. My kids will never drive unless they end up conscripted maybe.
shame on us, doomed from the start
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby jdmartin » Sat 26 May 2007, 00:20:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')1st off. The station dosen't charge you 4% for using a card, the credit card company does. 2cd. Credit cards are evil. Period! Cut em up. NOW. If'n you don't have the cash, DON'T BUY! You are rasing prices for the cash & carry folk. We hate your kind!


1st off, Kiss my ass. I am going to ride the wave as long as possible. Pay at the pump allows me to sidestep all the lottery hopefuls and avoid the mind-numbing crap in the "convenience marts" to get the only thing I came for - gasoline. 2nd, I have the cash because I pay my bill in full each month. I use a card because the card gives me a 5% rebate on all that gas every month. Since I would have paid cash for it anyway, and not received anything back, I would have to be a fool to turn away 5% back of what I've used. 3rd off, the station I'm talking about DOES charge 4% - they have signs all over their pumps that they are going to add 4% to your bill. What they do with that 4% is their business, whether they're using it to help offset their CC fee cost (which should be less than 4% - I have our contract at work and it is less than 4%), or just using it to discourage card use. This fee is against their contracts with the card companies. If they don't like the fee, what they should do is simply do away with accepting cards.
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby I_Like_Plants » Sat 26 May 2007, 02:00:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', 'Y')et, would it be a better world if all of those people working in the local Quicki Mart spent their time trying to steal from me instead of sell to me? I can ignore the ads and the pitches, harder to ignore those folks who feel the need to take.


Yes it WOULD be better, because then you could kill 'em and that's part of the overpopulation problem solved.

We need killing, and lots of it! :) :) :) :)
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Re: Gas-Station Owner Boycott

Postby Blacksmith » Sat 26 May 2007, 04:48:25

Well at least I'm not the only one who recognizes insanity.

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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby vision-master » Sat 26 May 2007, 10:14:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jdmartin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
')1st off. The station dosen't charge you 4% for using a card, the credit card company does. 2cd. Credit cards are evil. Period! Cut em up. NOW. If'n you don't have the cash, DON'T BUY! You are rasing prices for the cash & carry folk. We hate your kind!


1st off, Kiss my ass. I am going to ride the wave as long as possible. Pay at the pump allows me to sidestep all the lottery hopefuls and avoid the mind-numbing crap in the "convenience marts" to get the only thing I came for - gasoline. 2nd, I have the cash because I pay my bill in full each month. I use a card because the card gives me a 5% rebate on all that gas every month. Since I would have paid cash for it anyway, and not received anything back, I would have to be a fool to turn away 5% back of what I've used. 3rd off, the station I'm talking about DOES charge 4% - they have signs all over their pumps that they are going to add 4% to your bill. What they do with that 4% is their business, whether they're using it to help offset their CC fee cost (which should be less than 4% - I have our contract at work and it is less than 4%), or just using it to discourage card use. This fee is against their contracts with the card companies. If they don't like the fee, what they should do is simply do away with accepting cards.


Don't forget to use that "card" for Strarbucks coffee too!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')d Yingling, incoming president of the American Bankers Association, tells FRONTLINE that revolvers are "the sweet spot" of the banking industry. This "sweet spot" continues to grow as the average credit card debt among American households has more than doubled over the past decade. Today, the average family owes roughly $8,000 on their credit cards. This debt has helped generate record profits for the credit card industry -- last year, more than $30 billion before taxes.
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby advancedatheist » Sat 26 May 2007, 12:59:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', ' ')
I have a feeling this depends upon the part of the country that you live in. In my part of the world these jobs are not taken by illegals. They are taken by kids in High School, adults without any education beyond H.S. and the occasional retired man or woman. The occasional large dairy farm hires immigrants (though more hire the folks like I described above) and we still have a lot of Quiki Marts


The quality of immigrants, determined by their culture, makes all the difference. If we could replace the entire illegal Mexican population in the U.S. with the entire population of Taiwan (both figures in the 20 million range), the Taiwanese would more than pay for themselves in a matter of years. Confucian culture works a lot better in the modern economy than the dysfunctional Counter-Reformation Spanish culture that got implanted in Mexico and other Latin American countries in the 16th Century. (Ironically this culture has largely disappeared in Spain, which now behaves like more efficient northern European countries.)
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby Plantagenet » Sat 26 May 2007, 13:25:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('advancedatheist', 'T')he quality of immigrants, determined by their culture, makes all the difference. If we could replace the entire illegal Mexican population in the U.S. with the entire population of Taiwan (both figures in the 20 million range), the Taiwanese would more than pay for themselves in a matter of years. Confucian culture works a lot better in the modern economy than the dysfunctional Counter-Reformation Spanish culture that got implanted in Mexico and other Latin American countries in the 16th Century. (Ironically this culture has largely disappeared in Spain, which now behaves like more efficient northern European countries.)


Good points. Excellent post.

The premise of US immigration policy has always been that the US would inculcate the "protestant work ethic" in any new immigrant population and absorb them into the mainstream of US society after one generation. This isn't working very well with the current huge wave of 12-20 million illegal immigrants.
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby wisconsin_cur » Sat 26 May 2007, 15:10:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('advancedatheist', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('wisconsin_cur', ' ')
I have a feeling this depends upon the part of the country that you live in. In my part of the world these jobs are not taken by illegals. They are taken by kids in High School, adults without any education beyond H.S. and the occasional retired man or woman. The occasional large dairy farm hires immigrants (though more hire the folks like I described above) and we still have a lot of Quiki Marts


The quality of immigrants, determined by their culture, makes all the difference. If we could replace the entire illegal Mexican population in the U.S. with the entire population of Taiwan (both figures in the 20 million range), the Taiwanese would more than pay for themselves in a matter of years. Confucian culture works a lot better in the modern economy than the dysfunctional Counter-Reformation Spanish culture that got implanted in Mexico and other Latin American countries in the 16th Century. (Ironically this culture has largely disappeared in Spain, which now behaves like more efficient northern European countries.)


All well and good; may or may not be true I am not an expert on South American sociology. It, of course, ignores my post. It feels as if you were universalizing a local phenomenon when you complained that we have too many retail outlets because of our immigration problem. I merely observed that we have a lot of retail outlets too yet not really too many Latin American immigrants. I am doubting the connection between immigration policy and retail density.

It sounds as if you are willing to go from one complaint to another (first retail density and now immigration). All well and good, lets just be straight forward about it. Surely one so self-assuredly advanced can accept that proposition.
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Re: stations CHOOSING to not sell gas

Postby jdmartin » Tue 29 May 2007, 10:31:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '
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Don't forget to use that "card" for Strarbucks coffee too!

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')d Yingling, incoming president of the American Bankers Association, tells FRONTLINE that revolvers are "the sweet spot" of the banking industry. This "sweet spot" continues to grow as the average credit card debt among American households has more than doubled over the past decade. Today, the average family owes roughly $8,000 on their credit cards. This debt has helped generate record profits for the credit card industry -- last year, more than $30 billion before taxes.


I don't understand, wtf is your point? Yes, Americans are deeply in debt. Yes, they have a boatload of credit cards and some (many?) use them irresponsibly. Without those credit cards, I promise that it's highly unlikely that either one of us would have a job, so get off your sanctimonious high horse. You think Americans would be able to keep the economy running and continue purchasing this mountain of shit without credit cards?

Would the country and average American be better off in the long run without credit cards? No doubt, at least in my mind. But in the short term, meaning quite a number of years, you're talking about massive chaos and mayhem, a destroyed economy, and ridiculous levels of unemployment. Besides, lest you forget, even the credit card companies and banks employ a mountain of people, even if you and I think it's in less-than-honorable fields of employment.

IF you know how to use a credit card, and use the bank to your advantage, a credit card can be a great tool. Who's going to give me 5% back on my gas purchase if I'm paying cash? No one. If I buy an item over the internet and I get screwed, do they have my money or the credit card company's money?

Frankly, the only reason I'm able to use a credit card in such a manner is because most people exist on revolving terms. Otherwise, the CC company wouldn't be able to give me that gas rebate, or let me use their money for free, since I pay my cards in full each month.

I agree that there's a certain comfort in having no debt. But don't confuse that with being smart and knowing how to position yourself in a prudent manner within this economy. Besides, if you're truly a doomer, you'd be using CC's with abandon, because you really think they'll be able to collect 5% of what they're owed if the economy goes into the shitter?
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