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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby steam_cannon » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 21:43:59

Real money :-D

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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby Dreamtwister » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 21:50:45

That's pretty creative. It's legal tender, and it has actual value. I guess as long as he makes sure to pay his bills in modern "funny money", he can probably get away with it.
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby steam_cannon » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 22:02:34

The silver for gasoline comparison is classic, so a gas station taking
silver directly is kind of cool and something I think we'll see more of.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Why buy silver?

For example, in 2002, the average price of gasoline was about $1.28
per gallon and silver was trading at around $4.50 per ounce, which
means, that you could have gotten about 3.5 gallons of gas for 1 oz.
of silver. Today, gasoline is about $3.23 per gallon and silver this year
has averaged about $17.55 per ounce, which means, you could get
get 5.4 gallons of gas for 1 oz. of silver. As you can see, as the dollar
is losing value, silver has kept it's purchasing power in terms of gasoline.

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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby mattduke » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 22:24:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'T')hat's pretty creative. It's legal tender, and it has actual value. I guess as long as he makes sure to pay his bills in modern "funny money", he can probably get away with it.

Now try to calculate what sales tax he should pay, and the entire fiat money scam unravels.
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby steam_cannon » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 22:43:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'N')ow try to calculate what sales tax he should pay...
I was thinking about this, but sales tax is probably automatically
calculated on the pumps as a US dollar transaction. So I'm sure
calculating taxes isn't a problem.
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby mattduke » Thu 10 Apr 2008, 23:56:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'N')ow try to calculate what sales tax he should pay...
I was thinking about this, but sales tax is probably automatically
calculated on the pumps as a US dollar transaction. So I'm sure
calculating taxes isn't a problem.

He paid 25 cents, legal tender.
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby steam_cannon » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 00:24:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'H')e paid 25 cents, legal tender.
It's legal tender but not a presently issued currency and the IRS will
treat this based as a commodity transaction. And the IRS would
request that taxes be calculated in federal reserve notes for
the reserve note value of gasoline traded.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Q') Are bullion coins legal tender?

A Yes, if they are government issued bullion coins with a face
value. This nominal face value allows the coins to travel across
national borders without the taxation or fees otherwise imposed by
many countries on bullion itself.

http://www.nwtmintbullion.com/articles_faq.php
There are some loopholes like this, but as I said since gas pumps
are set-up to calculate taxes and this guy probably doesn't want
questions from the IRS regarding a promotion, he is probably
paying the state and government taxes.

This is what Feds do when people intentionally use silver to skirt taxes... :roll:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')eds Raid NORFED offices, Seize Ron Paul Coins
http://www.plunderbund.com/2007/11/17/f ... aul-coins/

Federal agents on Wednesday raided the Evansville, Indiana
headquarters of the National Organization for the Repeal of the
Federal Reserve and Internal Revenue Codes (NORFED), an
organization of “sound money” advocates that for the past decade
has been selling what it calls Liberty Dollars, a private currency it
says is backed by silver and gold stored in Idaho, with a total of
more than $20 million in circulation, according to the group.
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby 3aidlillahi » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 00:36:53

When I read the title, I was thinking "All gas stations are like this - If you have a 90% quarter". I don't mean they'll take the coin, but you could sell it for roughly a gallon of gas.
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby Pretorian » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 01:37:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '[')b]Real money :-D

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that coin had lost minimum 0.5 grams of silver. not so real anymore.
However, next week i am going to farmers market loaded with silver us, canadian and mexican coinage. we'll see
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby steam_cannon » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:04:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 't')hat coin had lost minimum 0.5 grams of silver. not so real anymore.

.5 / 6.25 = 0.08

8% of it's mass. I think that looks a little high, but maybe.

$3.25 * .08 = $0.26

$3.25 - $0.26 = $2.99 value in silver + collector value

CALCULATING TODAY'S MELT VALUE of Quarters
http://www.coinflation.com/coins/1932-1 ... Value.html

And here's a page that might be worth printing out:

United States Circulated Silver Coinage Intrinsic Value Table
http://www.coinflation.com/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'H')owever, next week i am going to farmers market loaded with
silver us, canadian and mexican coinage. we'll see
Have fun, bartering can work. I know I've traded ceramic dice /
buttons I've made for small things at flea markets. You have to
have the right people, environment. However without outright
currency collapse, you're going to have more luck cashing in some
silver for FRN's and using those to buy vegetables. But it depends
on the seller. I mentioned NORFED earlier, they were raided
because many businesses wanted to accept their silver backed currency.
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby Ferretlover » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:07:09

HHhmmm... wonder if Gary, the gasoline guy, visits here?...
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby steam_cannon » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:12:36

Penny Bullion

Something amusing, a few sellers on ebay are listing the older copper
pennies on ebay as "penny bullion" a copper bullion.

Copper Cents in 10 lb Boxes! Penny Bullion Below Melt!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0213564157

2500 copper pennies lot from 1959-1981
Current bid: US $36.57, MELT VALUE $65
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0214155971
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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby gnm » Fri 11 Apr 2008, 11:16:59

Even the copper clad zinc pennies are worth more than their face value. How far we have fallen... Keep on printing Ben!

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Re: Gas Station Owner Selling Gallons For 1 Quarter

Postby Pretorian » Sat 12 Apr 2008, 04:14:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'E')ven the copper clad zinc pennies are worth more than their face value. How far we have fallen... Keep on printing Ben!

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they used to be, for a month or two, not anymore.
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Gas stations getting busier

Postby heroineworshipper » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 02:42:35

Since gas crossed $4 here & diesel crossed $4.50, gas stations actually seem to be getting busier. People may have figured out that they can save 20% by filling up more often & unnecessarily. Maybe filling up a few extra cans & stuffing those in their $2 million back yards, too. SUV's are also briskly moving off the dealer lots, probably because of free credit & speculation of more home equity infusions just around the corner.
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Re: Gas stations getting busier

Postby Twilight » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 08:56:03

A useful observation for the gasoline shortage thread. I will copy it there. If fuel price inflation hits the public consciousness enough that they keep their tanks topped up through summer, that could have an effect on inventories.
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Re: Gas stations getting busier

Postby MD » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 09:16:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'A') useful observation for the gasoline shortage thread. I will copy it there. If fuel price inflation hits the public consciousness enough that they keep their tanks topped up through summer, that could have an effect on inventories.


The run to commodities seems to be spinning off some hoarding mentality here and there. I hope it doesn't get out of hand.
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Re: Gas stations getting busier

Postby Jenab6 » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 21:36:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'A') useful observation for the gasoline shortage thread. I will copy it there. If fuel price inflation hits the public consciousness enough that they keep their tanks topped up through summer, that could have an effect on inventories.

The run to commodities seems to be spinning off some hoarding mentality here and there. I hope it doesn't get out of hand.

Hoarding is good, in the practical sense, for the hoarder. Hoarding isn't bad, in the moral sense, as long as he acquires his goods during a time when anyone who so chose could do likewise. Hoarding becomes morally bad only when, during a time of scarcity, someone seeks to acquire more than his share and thus to deprive someone else.

In other words, a hoard gathered now, while there's enough to go around, may be kept into a time of scarcity, when there is not enough for everyone, without any negative karma accruing to the hoarder. No matter how much someone else "needs," that need does not confer a right to get goods from the hoarder. The hoarder must refrain only from continuing to gather once the times have become desperate.
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Re: Gas stations getting busier

Postby Tanada » Sat 19 Apr 2008, 21:46:05

In the Carter gasoline crisis many people decided to keep their car tanks full, which resulted in a lot of gas stations running out of fuel. The USA as a whole had trhe same amount of gasoline, but it was distributed very differently. And once the stations ran out the first time everyone decided to keep their tanks full so the problem persisted for a few months.
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Re: Gas stations getting busier

Postby whatpeak » Sun 20 Apr 2008, 13:10:37

There were long lines at the Costco gas station yesterday. Not the lines that extended for blocks during the early 70's, but tens lines with six to seven cars in each. Traffic was backed up on street. People were honking their horns at each other.

The lines resulted from $3.69 a gallon for regular unleaded and not some oil embargo. However, the doomer side of me thinks we're just seeing the beginning of hoarding.

Filled up the Suburban for just $99. Got to get rid of that thing. :oops:
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