[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '[')i]<in a hush voice> The password for today is... acerbic

<allows a tossed salad joke to come to his mind but is hesitant to use it>

[Zentric]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('billp', 'I') read on Internet that the Chinese are getting get tired of their about 4% returns on treasuries.

I read that the Chinese are thinking of investing their money in the us stock market instead which, I read, could drive the us stock market DJI to over $36,000.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '.')..

The "end of growth" might lead to the survival of the human species.

[roccman]

From a global perspective the game being played is ....

"which country goes BK first..."

[farmersbase]

looking at the peak oil clock, we stilll have 30 years to go

in the meantime technological developments will grow fast,
farmers influence will be very big, because their potential
is huge to produce biologiacal fuels. further other developments
will grow very rapid, wind- solar- hydrogen- and other energy
sources.

there has and never will be an end of economic growth,
it is like waves in the sea, with ups and downs.

economic growth will continue in an other direction, but stay

the problem of human mankind nowadays is not knowledge,
but logistics and the positive intentention to divide the wealth
of this world honestlly

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('farmersbase', 'l')ooking at the peak oil clock, we stilll have 30 years to go

in the meantime technological developments will grow fast,
farmers influence will be very big, because their potential
is huge to produce biologiacal fuels. further other developments
will grow very rapid, wind- solar- hydrogen- and other energy
sources.

there has and never will be an end of economic growth,
it is like waves in the sea, with ups and downs.

economic growth will continue in an other direction, but stay

the problem of human mankind nowadays is not knowledge,
but logistics and the positive intentention to divide the wealth
of this world honestlly

[Lore]

We "had" 30 years ( days of Jimmy Carter), I believe we are now on year 28 and the clock is ticking!

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'A')ll it takes is the simplest of technologies like a good old fashion Roman short sword or slash and burn agriculture.

[shortonoil]

farmersbase said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')n the meantime technological developments will grow fast

[Novus]

Not every civilization requires growth to function. The ancient Greeks for example had an entirely different idea about growth. Their sense of place in the world was that things were generally getting worse with each generation. They always refered to the past as the golden ages and that over time they were decending from the golden times. For the ancient Greeks the ideal generation was one that pasted the world onto the next generation exacty as they had found it. To do otherwise placed them further the golden ages. Ancient Greek civilization lasted for 700+ years where as our industrial civilization is scarcely 200 years old.

[Fredrik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('farmersbase', 'l')ooking at the peak oil clock, we stilll have 30 years to go

in the meantime technological developments will grow fast,
farmers influence will be very big, because their potential
is huge to produce biologiacal fuels. further other developments
will grow very rapid, wind- solar- hydrogen- and other energy
sources.

[I_Like_Plants]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '
')All animals have been granted, through evolutionary forces, a method to survive in their various ecological niches. Technology is our species primary survival mechanism, it is derived from our instinctual capacity to mimic. For humans to forsake it, would be like a bird tearing off its wings or a turtle disposing of its shell; it would spell extinction for the species. This we can not do.

[farmersbase]

to previous posters

then go to the bush, ask your friends for a donkey, do not pay
them for it, because you do not believe in money. in case you have, take your family with you on the road, never ask them if they like it.

throw away your personal computer and your belongings
when you arrived at your longedfor place, believe me,
you will start your own proces of economic growth

there will be not an end of economic growth,

happily, mankind is forced to go and search for other directions
in economic growth

[shortonoil]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')appily, mankind is forced to go and search for other directions
in economic growth

[farmersbase]

thanks shortonoil

finally a positive attitude

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('farmersbase', 't')hrow away your personal computer and your belongings
when you arrived at your longedfor place, believe me,
you will start your own proces of economic growth

[farmersbase]

dear POPS

thanks

perhaps we should close this discussion

and start a new topic/theme/discussion

"directions of ehtic and economic growth"

it is up to you

[Pops]

There is lots of talk around here regarding the futility and fragility of the existing economic model.

Few passages are as succinct as yours I quoted.

Over time (beyond my time) I think a new one will replace this one - perhaps part old and new.

Feel free to start any topic you please.

[Revi]

Things are changing. Farmers here in Maine are getting younger. Our local farmer's market has gone from 5 vendors to 14 this year. There is going to be a new economy, for some. I agree that traditional economic growth based on increasing amounts of fossil fuel is over, but the new economy is just getting started.

We changed our lives around and added a bit of farming into our household balance sheet. We now are getting half our energy from the sun instead of fossil fuels. Our personal economy is actually holding its own. We switched to solar to heat our water and bought a woodlot which we harvest for at least half our heat, and all our maple syrup. Our cars are more efficient, and all our appliances are too. The way I see it, solar based technology is saving us. We save over $2500 every year from the changes we've made. We'd be in trouble without it, since the cost of energy has almost tripled in the past 5 years.

If you miss this opportunity you will regret it. Now is the time to change things, while we have some options. Here's what we've done:

http://www.msad54.org/sahs/appliedarts/ ... /index.htm

[farmersbase]

TO REVI

excellent contribution, we like the photo-gallery

what about, farming, food ?