[dukey]

one of my family members became sick due to some drugs she was taking to lower her cholesterol. So I decided to do a little research into this and came across this book. (don't worry it's only 42 pages)



http://www.health-fx.net/eBook.pdf
and if you don't have PDF
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:cZZw ... =clnk&cd=2

This thread is not for people with closed minds, you know who you are

[NEOPO]

<makes himself at home>

All I really want to know is, are they telling us the truth about anything?

Time for the "what if" thread!

[dukey]

depends on your definition of them
but as for big pharma
they sell a lot of lies and make big bucks from it
Before taking any drug now i research carefully, you just cant trust these people not to poison you for the sake of profit.

[Kingcoal]

I worked with a guy in his fifties who had severe brain impairment due to ten years of Lipitor. This once sharp engineer had lost so much of the sharp edge of his mind he was relegated to working as a technician.

I was on Lipitor for about three months 8 years ago. I experienced memory problems and muscle weakness so I quit taking the drug. As I've stated before, I had a privileged, inside look at the medical money machine and it alerted me to never take anything at face value in the medical field. Anyway, I'm still alive, have high cholesterol, no signs of arteriosclerosis and my heart is very healthy.

I've come to the conclusion that most modern ailments including cancer are aggravated and in many cases caused by the fantastically high amount of carbohydrate intake in the modern diet. If you don't believe me, take a day and keep track of every single carb you consume. Most people are over 300 grams every day. Consciously try to keep your carb intake under 100 grams and you will lose weight and feel better. Gone will be the sugar rushes and crashes, you'll be less hungry and more level headed.

[Venerye]

If you want some fun reading, check this out:
Why the Cholesterol-Heart Disease Theory is Wrong by Malcolm Kendrick

The whole www.thincs.org site is great, especially Kendrick's contributions.

[NEOPO]

You ever get that Truman Show feeling?

Hey dont start putting down technicians as thems fightin' words

I wonder what doctors across america think of this thread especially doctors who are peak oil aware, doctors who are moderators on this forum, yeah that would be cool

Dukey my friend, do you honestly believe this crap doesnt tie in with all the rest?

Corporate connections and business interests
Gilead Sciences: joined Gilead as a director in 1988 Chairman (1997-2001)
General Instrument Corporation: Chairman and CEO (1990-93)
G.D. Searle pharmaceutical company: CEO/Chairman/President (1977-1985)
Bechtel Corporation: Was involved in Iraq-Bechtel negotiations in the 1980s on a pipeline project
Gulfstream Aerospace: Former director
Tribune Company: Former director
Metricom, Inc.: Former director
Sears, Roebuck and Co.: Former director
ABB AB: Former director
Kellogg Company: director 1985 - 199? while Carlos Gutierrez (x Cuba 1960) president CEO and chairman Kellogg until named Secretary Commerce under Bush from 2005

Wow a real renaisance man and a PNAC member...

G.D. Searle & Company's chairman was William L. Searle until 1985. William L. Searle was a Harvard graduate and Naval reservist, and was an officer in the Army Chemical Corps in the early 1950s. Directors of G.D. Searle included Andre M. de Staercke, Reuben Richards, and Arthur Wood.

Donald Rumsfeld followed Searle as CEO, and then as President, of Searle between 1977 and 1985. During his tenure at Searle, Rumsfeld reduced the number of employees in the company by 60%. The financial turnaround of the company earned him awards as the Outstanding Chief Executive Officer in the Pharmaceutical Industry from the Wall Street Transcript (1980) and Financial World (1981). In 1985, he played an instrumental role in the acquisition of G.D. Searle & Company by Monsanto.

The Monsanto Company (NYSE: MON) is a multinational agricultural biotechnology corporation. It is the world's leading producer of the herbicide glyphosate, marketed as its a really racist and homophobic company, Roundup. Monsanto is also by far the leading producer of genetically engineered (GE) seed, holding 70%–100% market share for various crops. Agracetus, owned by Monsanto, exclusively produces Roundup Ready soybean seed for the commercial market. In March 2005, it finalized the purchase of Seminis Inc, making it also the largest conventional seed company in the world.

Do not underestimate the power of our dark neocon overlords young Jedi

wiki monsanto
did you cetch that? ahah some internet graffiti artist must have hacked wiki

[smallpoxgirl]

Where's the youtube video dukey? Surely there's someone out there that can paint a face on his chin and rant sarcastically about how cholesterol saved his life from the Neocon conspiracy.

[peaker_2005]

Cholesterol in limited amounts is probably beneficial, much like everything else.

The problem is with the foodstuffs we have this days, it's nearly impossible to eat ANYTHING in moderation because it's all so loaded full of crap.

Having a balanced diet is probably the right way to go, IMHO.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peaker_2005', 'C')holesterol in limited amounts is probably beneficial, much like everything else.

[NEOPO]

no no no!
vee are not saying no such thing.
Vee are zaying Eat your bacon zdouble cheezeburgers!
Ven that poizon makes you sick (not cholesterol) then come to us for zome other poizon to make you feel better and vhen that poizon makes you zick ve have some more poizon vor you!
Consider it our Kumulationsgift to you comrade.

[strider3700]

It's a completely different thing to argue that cholesterol is good for you then it is to argue that cholesterol drugs are bad for you.

[gampy]

This argument brings to mind the chicken or the egg question.

Did big pharma create statin drugs to combat cholesterol, or did they create the idea that cholesterol is bad for you so that they could market a drug they knew to lower LDL ("bad" cholesterol.)

Physicians in North America are ever ready to give you any number of prescriptions for this, that, and the other. Modern medicine is more about pharmacology than actual medicine.

I used to work in a medical lab and physician's office, and you would not believe the behavior of the drug reps. You think door to door salesmen are bad. These guys are so aggressive, they will do anything to get their "client physicians" to prescribe their products.

Hockey tickets, vacations, you name it. They entice physicians with "free samples" of their older medicines (which the doctors give to their poor patients) and then cut off the freebies if the physicans don't prescribe the new drugs enough.

Man...anyone who accepts a prescription without question (or at least a bit of research) is taking their life in their own hands.

[I_Like_Plants]

I've read there's not even a link between cholesterol in your food and cholesterol in your body, the chol. in your food is digested and your body makes its own. Then there's "good" and 'bad" chol., the good stuff being stuff that's coming out of storage and considered good, bad going into storage, therefore must be bad, headed for your arteries, right?

in reality it's the Big Gulps of soda, the endless donuts and chips, the continuous snacking and extremely sedentary lifestyle that's causing the problem. Try to stick with a "meat and leaves" whole foods diet, and exercise, and you should never need Lipitor.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gampy', '
')Did big pharma create statin drugs to combat cholesterol, or did they create the idea that cholesterol is bad for you so that they could market a drug they knew to lower LDL ("bad" cholesterol.)

Physicians in North America are ever ready to give you any number of prescriptions for this, that, and the other. Modern medicine is more about pharmacology than actual medicine.

[smallpoxgirl]

Diabetes is the worst risk factor for heart disease. Anyone with diabetes can be assumed to have heart disease as well. Smoking is the next greatest risk. The modifiable risk factors, meaning you can change them, are high LDL cholesterol, low HDL cholesterol, and high blood pressure. Non-modifiable risk factors are family history of early heart disease, age, and gender. There are a million other things that may offer some lesser degree of risk prevention: alpha-hydroxy fatty acids, drinking red wine, exercise, eating tree nuts several days a week, etc, but the list above are the most statistically provable risk factors.

I'm starting to believe Dukey is getting a kick-back from the funeral industry.

[Pretorian]

SPG, if a 70-years old man has a healthy heart, what are his chances to die from cancer?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'S')PG, if a 70-years old man has a healthy heart, what are his chances to die from cancer?

[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m starting to believe Dukey is getting a kick-back from the funeral industry.

[basil_hayden]

My theory is that one must replace the old cholesterol with new cholesterol regulary. That old stuff gets too plaquey!

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'S')PG, if a 70-years old man has a healthy heart, what are his chances to die from cancer?