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Re: Cholesterol is good for you

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 17:35:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'I')'ve read that someone said that if a man managed to have a healthy heart by the time he is 70, most llikely his cause of death will be cancer.


Like I was saying, it's really unusual to know the exact condition of somebody's heart unless they've had a heart attack or something. About the only way you can really say that someone has no coronary disease is to do an autopsy. Cardiac catheterization is a pretty good measure, but also not something we do to healthy people. MRA angiography may be there in a few years to give us a decent guess, but it's not widely available at this point.

The older you are, the higher your rate of death from heart disease. link That's true both of people with a history of heart disease, and of people with no heart disease history. Cancer death rates also increase with age, but they are less than cardiac disease death rates in all age groups.link

For people over 85, the overall risk of dying is 15% per year. The risk of dying from heart disease is 6% per year. The risk of dying from cancer is 1.8% per year.
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Re: Cholesterol is good for you

Unread postby seldom_seen » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 23:32:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'o')ne of my family members became sick due to some drugs she was taking to lower her cholesterol. So I decided to do a little research...

dukey, when you're at the bookstore/library pick up a copy of "the protein power life plan" by Michael and Mary Eades MD, and read their chapter on cholesterol.

They come down really hard on those cholesterol drugs and the problems they cause, notably serious liver damage. They also quote the studies that show how ineffective and often dangerous these drugs are. 80% of our bodies cholesterol is produced by the liver and it is essential for all sorts of hormones as well as the membranes of your cells. Many of these drugs short circuit the livers ability to do its normal work. Bad mojo!
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Thinking twice about cholesterol

Unread postby pablonite » Fri 26 Mar 2010, 22:38:24

http://nutrition-and-physical-regenerat ... olesterol/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')holesterol is found in every cell of the body. This fascinating molecule, found in rich abundance in the tastiest of foods, is the most critical component of mental function – surely one reason the State has waged its historical role on this vilified yet truly magnificent molecule, independent thought being the primary threat to its existence...


That is if you can still think !
Might also explain the boys with boobs syndrome (testosterone).
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Re: Thinking twice about cholesterol

Unread postby Keith_McClary » Sat 27 Mar 2010, 01:14:55

Better stay away from flaxseed then, guys.

Study finds flaxseed lowers high cholesterol in men
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')esults showed that consuming at least 150 milligrams of flaxseed lignans per day (about three tablespoons) decreased cholesterol in men, but not women, by just under 10 percent over the three months
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Re: Thinking twice about cholesterol

Unread postby JJ » Sat 27 Mar 2010, 09:09:28

I could say a lot but I'm gonna make it short.

Doc puts me on Lipitor "because my cholesterol is high"
Six months later, I have a sub-arachinoid anuerysm burst.
In coma three weeks, three months to learn to walk and talk again.
Continue taking Lipitor.
Two years later,:
muscle pain,
loss of strength, (can't pick up 20 pound box)
under the rib chest pain
tremors
memory loss

Wife reads warning fine print

all of the above, plus "people taking Lipitor 20 and 40 are know to experience coma"

wife shrieked, told doc I wasn't taking it anymore. Doc said she was putting me down as "non-compliant"

Got new doc. Take Lecithin. Cholesterol WAY down.



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Re: Thinking twice about cholesterol

Unread postby Ludi » Sat 27 Mar 2010, 14:06:30

A med I am on may cause liver failure plus these fun side effects - mental status changes (e.g., agitation, hallucinations, coma), autonomic instability (e.g., tachycardia, labile blood pressure, hyperthermia), neuromuscular aberrations (e.g., hyperreflexia, incoordination) and/or gastrointestinal symptoms (e.g., nausea, vomiting, diarrhea). I'm going to try to go off it but these meds have very debilitating withdrawal symptoms. :( Plus I may not be able to function in life without it. :( :( :(
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Re: Thinking twice about cholesterol

Unread postby virgincrude » Sun 28 Mar 2010, 11:28:25

pstarr, nice to read someone has the same conclusions as me on modern meds.

Here's an article you'll find interesting:
http://www.NaturalNews.com/z028380_cholesterol_health.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;But it's all a house of cards. No matter what you've been led to believe, a high cholesterol level is not a reliable sign of an impending heart attack. In fact, growing numbers of experts question whether cholesterol matters at all. As for statin drugs, for most of the 40-plus million Americans recommended to take them for the rest of their lives, they're an ineffective, expensive, side effect- riddled fraud."




by Dr. Whitaker, whom I don't always agree with, but who is a man anyone with any kind of medical condition should research thoroughly.

Ludi, use the net for all it's worth; you may find a complete dietary overhaul could 'cure' you of many of the symptoms you are currently taking drugs for:
http://www.youtube.com/plantbasednutrition?utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=96edafcf33-Newsletter_March_2010_tracking&utm_medium=email

(Sorry, don't know how to shorten the links!)

By the way, if you're rethinking cholesterol, you should also rethink fructose. Turns out, as an additive (not as it appears in whole fruits) it's a poison which your body metabolises as fat ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM
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Re: Thinking twice about cholesterol

Unread postby Ludi » Sun 28 Mar 2010, 12:36:12

I avoid high-fructose corn syrup like it is poison. I think it is linked to much of the obesity and diabetes epidemic currently. 8O
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Re: Thinking twice about cholesterol

Unread postby Narz » Tue 30 Mar 2010, 00:07:21

The human body produces it's own cholesterol, it's not like you "run out" if you don't eat animals.
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Re: Cholesterol is good for you

Unread postby Tanada » Sat 14 Dec 2013, 19:57:11

http://www.amazon.com/Cholesterol-Clari ... 1936608383

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Re: Cholesterol is good for you

Unread postby dissident » Sat 14 Dec 2013, 22:03:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')hanks for digging this up Tanada :) How times change.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('A commenter on the Amazon page', 'T')he evidence continues to accumulate that cholesterol is not the villain it is made out to be, but is actually part of your body's defense system against the real killers: chronic inflammation, the lack of good, natural fats, and stress. Dr. Dwight Lundell, one of the 29 experts interviewed by author Jimmy Moore in Cholesterol Clarity, noted that in the absence of inflammation, "Cholesterol would move freely throughout the body as nature intended."
It wasn't that long ago that the nutrition establishment warned folks against eating shrimp, eggs, whatever because they contained "cholesterol." Even the worst science couldn't prove that connection between dietary "cholesterol" and blood lipid counts, much less heart disease and mortality. Why did the country go down this idiotic path?


It was pure politics during the 1970s. Congress started meddling in nutrition science and we had the BS about saturated fats and dietary cholesterol as causal factors for heart disease. None of the Congress monkeys and their staffers had the least bit of qualification to push this "medicine" on the public. Lots of crappy "research" using rabbits as models for humans (rabbits do not even develop heart disease; rats and mice are much better models but still approximations) and some studies which used powdered eggs (i.e. oxidized cholesterol, which is known to have excessive binding behaviour). The food pyramid was pushed by agribusiness to sell sugar to the masses. Fast food joints stopped using saturated fats for deep frying and replaced them with unsaturated vegetable oils, which are less chemically stable and form copious amounts of trans-fats when heated (in addition to oxidizing more readily than saturated fats). Starting around 1980 the Type II diabetes epidemic started off.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Not coincidentally measures of inflammation have been around for years, and apparently statin's usefulness comes from its anti-oxidant capacity to decrease inflammation. Not it's reputed (false ) effect on blood lipoproteins. Also not coincidentally Ayurvedic medicine is concerned with inflammation, and is why turmeric is such an important spice in India. It is an anti-oxidant. I need to start cooking with it. My friend used to carry a disgusting yellow concoction with him logging that I believe contained tofu, nuts, and a grain in yogurt. Now that he is no longer vegan and anti-carb he still carries it but must have replaced the tofu with meat. Even more disgusting. LOL


If statins have anti-inflammatory effects, then those are incidental. Statins are co-enzyme Q10 blockers. They disrupt a whole slew of metabolic reactions, including those that produce cholesterol. The case of Baycol demonstrates clearly how damaging statins are. It would seem that they reduce prostoglandin formation as well. The analogue for statins is blood letting in the bad old days of medicine. The same type of "killing sparrows with a cannon" approach.
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Re: Cholesterol is good for you

Unread postby Shaved Monkey » Sun 15 Dec 2013, 02:21:12

Lots of controversy in Australia over a serious and well respected science show doing a doco on cholesterol and heart disease
http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/c ... 2z4fz.html
Basic gist was;
When you have a heart attack there is always cholesterol involved.
Problem is cholesterol is the bodies natural defence to repair when there is any damage to the arteries/veins.
So when they blow there will always be cholesterol.
Just like there is always lots of firemen at a fire doesn't mean they caused it.
The problem is stress and sugar/fructose and the insulin response,that causes the artery/vein traumas that cholesterol then goes to to repair.
People have different levels of cholesterol in their body based on genetics.
If you have low cholesterol diet your body makes more if you have a high cholesterol diet your body makes less.
The real culprit is sugar(fructose).
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Re: Cholesterol is good for you

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 15 Dec 2013, 08:29:55

I liked Catalyst so much that I subscribed to their Youtube channel.

Many people like my spouse are diabetic and have great justified fear of all the complications that develop from the condition of being diabetic like nerve pain, kidney failure, eye degeneration and heart damage. For decades diabetic patients in the North America and Europe have been taught that controlling their blood sugar was the only way to avoid these complications, and this message is still being widely promoted. Unfortunately five years ago their were three major studies of type 2 diabetics that proved unequivocally that both those with well controlled blood sugar and those with poorly controlled blood sugar developed the same exact complications from having Diabetes. The only thing every type 2 Diabetic had in common was high blood insulin. Insulin is a very powerful hormone and the more of it you have in your blood the more resistant you are to its effects which include inflammation of the blood vessels in the heart, kidney, and eyes. The conventional American diet is high in carbohydrates, which causes high blood sugar and eventually insulin resistance in susceptible people. The conventional treatment for type 2 Diabetes(High blood sugar) is oral medication to increase insulin production and in worse cases injected insulin as well as oral medication. This causes a cycle over years of treatment of ever increasing blood insulin causing greater insulin resistance causing higher blood sugar and medically administered increases of insulin to deal with the high blood sugar. One of the main drivers of insulin resistance is Fructose, which bypasses regular insulin receptors to enter the Liver causing the liver to down regulate its insulin receptors due to the overload of fructose. Then when you have a normal meal without fructose the liver doesn't get enough glucose due to the down regulated receptors so it signals the pancreas which increases insulin production to force the down regulated receptors to work for the liver. This has the side effect of increasing insulin everywhere in the body causing other cells to become insulin resistant to defend against the high insulin levels. The changes are tiny for each meal containing fructose/table sugar/high fructose corn syrup/sweet fruit but meal after meal, year after year the damage adds up in those pre disposed to type 2 diabetes. Eventually inflammation from the high insulin levels leads to plaque build up in the arterial walls which can cause heart attack or stroke, the most common killers of diabetes patients.
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