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Peak Oil - A Conspiracy Theory?

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Re: I'm a Conspiracy Theorist on Peak Oil in the Media...

Unread postby rdberg1957 » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 10:57:43

Conspiracy theories are fun to think about, but unnecessary to explain denial. It is very common for human beings to avoid thinking about threats to their well-being until the evidence is in their face. Peak oil is an abstract threat, somewhere in the distant future. It is in the distant future because if one has a choice between picking between CERA and Ken Deffeyes predictions, one will pick the more comforting scenario. The readers and the editors of media are operating under the same desire for bad news to go away.

Until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941, there were many pacifists who said the US should stay out of foreign wars. Overnight, the bulk of the pacifists disappeared and became patriots. While the story of WWII is more complicated than this, the point is that events dictate percerptions. Some big events related to peak oil will be required to puncture the denial of media and public alike. Unfortunately, something concrete, like the bombing of Pearl Harbor, is unlikely. There are too many alternate explanations for the declines in production and tight supplies. Ambiguity exists for those who are aware of peak oil and its implications. Until there exist dramatic stories to be photographed or written, it is unlikely that peak oil will get much play in the popular media. Even then, the bias in the media and the public will be toward benign explanations in order to avoid the more threatening ideas.
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Re: I'm a Conspiracy Theorist on Peak Oil in the Media...

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 14:17:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rdberg1957', 'C')onspiracy theories are fun to think about, but unnecessary to explain denial. It is very common for human beings to avoid thinking about threats to their well-being until the evidence is in their face. Peak oil is an abstract threat, somewhere in the distant future. It is in the distant future because if one has a choice between picking between CERA and Ken Deffeyes predictions, one will pick the more comforting scenario. The readers and the editors of media are operating under the same desire for bad news to go away.

Until Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941, there were many pacifists who said the US should stay out of foreign wars. Overnight, the bulk of the pacifists disappeared and became patriots. While the story of WWII is more complicated than this, the point is that events dictate percerptions. Some big events related to peak oil will be required to puncture the denial of media and public alike. Unfortunately, something concrete, like the bombing of Pearl Harbor, is unlikely. There are too many alternate explanations for the declines in production and tight supplies. Ambiguity exists for those who are aware of peak oil and its implications. Until there exist dramatic stories to be photographed or written, it is unlikely that peak oil will get much play in the popular media. Even then, the bias in the media and the public will be toward benign explanations in order to avoid the more threatening ideas.


Conspiracy theory and denial aren't mutually exclusive. They operate in tandem. Those who can't see this are often driven by a binary model, that creates false dichotemies. The "it's either this or that" kind of thinking that pits one theory against another, rather than seeing them acting in a complimentary way.

You couldn't have an effective media conspiracy, if people weren't prone to denial. At the same time, you couldn't have so many people in denial if information wasn't consciously suppressed. It's a positive feedback system that works to keep the majority of people confined to the status quo, opinion wise.
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Re: I'm a Conspiracy Theorist on Peak Oil in the Media...

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 20:36:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')ou couldn't have an effective media conspiracy, if people weren't prone to denial. At the same time, you couldn't have so many people in denial if information wasn't consciously suppressed. It's a positive feedback system that works to keep the majority of people confined to the status quo, opinion wise.


I'm starting to believe that the problem is some combination of what you state here and on a larger scale a lack of intelligence. Average folks just cant put it together. Its too far out of a normal paradigm for people to grasp. I see it every day. I don't even think people are prone to denial as much as they completely lack the ability to think through what is potentially on the horizon.

Denial is really a part of that, the blind inability to move past some basic concept of resource problems and how thier lives and the world's economies will be affected. I don't even think you need to suppress information as long as some "spin" is put on it rendering the picture you want. The majority are just too "dumbed down" by our joke of an education system to get past the spin.

This is all part of my concept of "cultural inertia" and how it's going to compound the problems we ALL experience due to it.
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Re: I'm a Conspiracy Theorist on Peak Oil in the Media...

Unread postby Twilight » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 20:56:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'A')verage folks just cant put it together. Its too far out of a normal paradigm for people to grasp. I see it every day. I don't even think people are prone to denial as much as they completely lack the ability to think through what is potentially on the horizon.

Sounds familiar.

Society encounters an event which exists outside of its cultural frame of reference.
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Re: I'm a Conspiracy Theorist on Peak Oil in the Media...

Unread postby sameu » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 23:29:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'A')verage folks just cant put it together. Its too far out of a normal paradigm for people to grasp. I see it every day. I don't even think people are prone to denial as much as they completely lack the ability to think through what is potentially on the horizon.

Sounds familiar.

Society encounters an event which exists outside of its cultural frame of reference.


hmm sounds like a right definition
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Re: I'm a Conspiracy Theorist on Peak Oil in the Media...

Unread postby CrudeAwakening » Sat 07 Apr 2007, 23:45:46

The corporate media is beholden to its advertisers. These advertisers are committed to the "growth model" to which we have wedded our economies. Peak Oil, or the widespread acknowledgement of an imminent peak, calls into question the prospects of continued economic growth, and potentially undermines the interests of advertisers and shareholders.

Maybe it's just that simple?
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80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 25 May 2007, 03:22:08

The vast majority of people believe in an
oil conspiracy theory, i.e. that oil companies secretly
collude to raise the price of oil.

Thats even more then believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

http://www.dailyfueleconomytip.com/?p=371

Hardly anyone believes high prices are due to
supply shortages that occur due to peak oil
or other factors.
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby Twilight » Fri 25 May 2007, 03:24:14

80% of people are correct, about the oil company conspiracy of silence on resource constraints to rate, quality and energy gain of oil extraction.
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 25 May 2007, 11:40:23

Its not just the general public. The political leaders are going down the same road. The House of Representatives just passed bills to sue OPECE and to criminalize "excessive" oil prices. This shows that they also believe current high oil prices are a product of an oil company conspiracy, rather then being due to gas shortages and the beginning of Peak Oil.
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby zorn » Fri 25 May 2007, 11:55:44

why arent oil prices going up? the reason people beleive it is because oil came down, but gas went up. doesnt that point to US refineries/companies and not oil itself?
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby Plantagenet » Fri 25 May 2007, 12:02:54

Oil prices ARE up. Brent just went over $71 a barrel.

When oil prices go up, gas prices are going to go up too.

No doubt there are some local refinery problems, but the price of
gas is up across the US and virtually everywhere in the world, because the price of crude on the world market is up.
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby Denny » Fri 25 May 2007, 19:59:49

Four years ago, 80% of the population thought that invading Iraq was a good idea, that the troops would be home in six months and that the price of gas would be under 70 cents a gallon by then too.
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 25 May 2007, 20:29:19

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now an then and the fact that 70% of america believes 911 was LIHOP or MIHOP is one of these nuts.

The oil companie conspiracy - It is not what they are saying it is what they are not saying... i.e. Peak Oil

Zorn - There are two main oil gauges and one is around $65 while the other is around $71.
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 25 May 2007, 23:33:22

Neopo? You don't actually believe the oil corporations aren't taking advantage of short supply to hike rates much higher than they have to?Come on, Man.
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sat 26 May 2007, 03:13:12

You guys are cute little gang, following each other around thread to thread. Like little bunnies. CT bunnies, how cute.
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby jupiters_release » Sat 26 May 2007, 03:19:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')ou guys are cute little gang, following each other around thread to thread. Like little bunnies. CT bunnies, how cute.


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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sat 26 May 2007, 03:30:21

Look there goes one now! Awwww!!!!



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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 26 May 2007, 11:46:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'Y')ou guys are cute little gang, following each other around thread to thread. Like little bunnies. CT bunnies, how cute.


Shill for the executive brand AND apologist for big oil too! And here I thought you were overly specialized.

I'm sure, I'd rather be a fuzzy bunny than a horse's ass.
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby Chuckmak » Sat 26 May 2007, 12:04:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AirlinePilot', 'L')ook there goes one now! Awwww!!!!
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Re: 80% think high gas prices due to oil company conspiracy

Unread postby AirlinePilot » Sat 26 May 2007, 13:14:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')hill for the executive brand AND apologist for big oil too! And here I thought you were overly specialized.

I'm sure, I'd rather be a fuzzy bunny than a horse's ass.



Ahh! there we go again with what sure looks like insult to me! Or am I mistaken? Anyone else care to help me out, I'm just not sure.

Are you not the one who said you dont resort to those tactics? I mean come on, you cant even have a little fun poked at you without resorting to it let alone argue a serious point.
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