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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby Z » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 23:50:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'i')nnocent till proven guilty


Except if you are an arab, of course.
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby Z » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 23:54:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'I')'m curious about the Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, Iranian, Saudi Arabian legal systems and any human rights abuses there.


Are they not the countries where the US is exporting its secret prisonners for torture ?

Hypocrisy is the main US export.
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby rwwff » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 23:57:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'i')nnocent till proven guilty

Except if you are an arab, of course.


Well they are guilty, right?
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby The_Toecutter » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 00:06:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')et me know when you get a conviction for treason for something like that. Till then, innocent till proven guilty, eh?


What are the odds of our own government convicting itself for the crimes it has committed? The sheer hypocrisy of such a statement provides boundless humor while simultaneously never failing to disgust. All of those whose rights were violated by the PATRIOT Act or Homeland Security Department, all of those who have been detained without due process, and all of those who have been assaulted or placed under surveillance on mere suspicions with no probable cause obviously have had a different standard placed upon them.

Even a moron can understand just by reading the document that what our government is doing is clearly illegal. It says what it says, nothing more and nothing less.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 00:07:21

I don't have any problem with harsh interrogation tactics against enemies. But Americans don't murder captured prisoners. If they do, they must be held to account. We are not Syrians or any of those countries. Murdering captured prisoners is a Nazi tactic. I would never accept if my government was doing that.
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby Jack » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 00:39:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'B')ut Americans don't murder captured prisoners. If they do, they must be held to account.


A good ol' boy who helped me become what I am today said it best: "The unethical we do immediately; the illegal just takes a little longer."

Words to live by. 8)
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 00:51:36

sorry, Jack but I'm not buying it. And I don't think the American Military buys it either. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it's not my country that accepts atrocities.
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby The_Toecutter » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 02:15:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ecretive government operations, as a rule, neither make us safer nor give us the upper hand.


'Us' means different things depending on who you are referring to. It definately makes our power elite safer. Everyone not a member of the power elite takes the negative consequences of their decisions in terms of lost civil liberties, decreased economic mobility, greater taxes, and declining control over their own lives.

There is a conflict of interest between the American people and their corporate-run government. The former just hasn't had enough of their members figure it out yet while the latter might start killing them if they ever take action in sufficient numbers.
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby Miki » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 06:29:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'I')'m curious about the Syrian, Egyptian, Jordanian, Iranian, Saudi Arabian legal systems and any human rights abuses there. Are we going to investigate them Miki? Let me guess, America is behind the Islamic religious courts. Did Osama sign the Geneva convention? Do they cut heads off with knives? Do they use schools, mosques etc. to hide weapons? Do they bomb civilians? I think we need an investigation.

1-I never denied that, and you know it.
2-Just because they did it, it does not mean the US is less guilty of its crimes. Just because other countries are violating human rights, that doesn't give the US the right to do the same.
3-Those governments don't go around invading other countries to police them and kill their people in the name of human rights and democracy.
The US government is using their fight for democracy/human rights as an excuse to kill innocent civilians in order to achieve hegemonic means. I don't see Jordan or Egypt or Saudi Arabia invading Western nations and killing Western civilians.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hen, go any place in the United States you want to, and do the same thing, but say that Christians, Georgy boy, whoever, are a bunch of war mongers and see what happens. Post it here. Then, we can use that evidence to decide who respects opinions and human rights. Its the ultimate test. Come to the great satan, test us, and then go to Mecca, the great Mesiah, and test it there.

WHEN DID I DENY THAT THERE ARE ARAB GOVERNMENTS THAT VIOLATE HUMAN RIGHTS???????
What is your point Saehorse? I've condemned the human rights violations in the Arab countries. I advocate for the implementation of an effective democracy in each of those countries, because I know the Arab people favor moderate views of Islam that do not advocate for horrendous human rights violations. What else do you want me to do?
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby seldom_seen » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 06:56:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I') don't see Jordan or Egypt or Saudi Arabia invading Western nations and killing Western civilians.

Of course not, when they've engaged in traditional military conflicts with the west (mainly Israel) they get the tar beaten out of them. That's precisely why they've resorted to proxy wars and asymmetric warfare. They may not have the latest in modern military technology, but they're certainly not stupid.

The 9/11 perps were not from Norway. The madrid train bombers were not from Rhode Island. They hail from the countries you mention above.
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby Miki » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 07:11:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I') don't see Jordan or Egypt or Saudi Arabia invading Western nations and killing Western civilians.

Of course not, when they've engaged in traditional military conflicts with the west (mainly Israel) they get the tar beaten out of them. That's precisely why they've resorted to proxy wars and asymmetric warfare. They may not have the latest in modern military technology, but they're certainly not stupid.


Gosh boy, you need to learn a lot about ME politics. All those Arab governments have fought the extremists on their own land. As it turns out, the extremists are one of the main threats to their positions in the government. If it was not because they have a brutal control on their people enforced through military means, those extremists would have taken power in more than one of those countries.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he 9/11 perps were not from Norway. The madrid train bombers were not from Rhode Island. They hail from the countries you mention above.


So because the 9/11 people were Arab, that makes Islam a violent religion? There are lots of incidents of Christian extremists. Does that make Christianity a violent religion? The crime rates in the US are way higher than in Europe. Does that make America a criminal culture?
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby seldom_seen » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 07:23:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'G')osh boy, you need to learn a lot about ME politics. All those Arab governments have fought the extremists on their own land. As it turns out, the extremists are one of the main threats to their positions in the government.

Uh huh, ok. The Saudis fund Wahhabi madrassas and mosques from Pakistan to the US and all points in between. The Wahhabi sect or "Osama" school of islam is one of the primary incubators of today's and tomorrow's terrorists. But you want me to believe that these valiant governments are fighting off the "small band of extremists." Let me take another hit from the crack pipe and see if I believe you then.
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby Jack » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 13:01:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 's')orry, Jack but I'm not buying it. And I don't think the American Military buys it either. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it's not my country that accepts atrocities.


You're one-hundred percent correct. Absolutely right. No question about it - the U.S. military wouldn't do such things.

The various agencies of the federal government wouldn't either.

But then, there are contract workers. Sometimes, in their enthusiasm for a project, they go overboard. Even way overboard. Know what I mean? 8)
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Re: Rendition, Torture and Disappearances in the "war o

Postby Miki » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 16:45:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'G')osh boy, you need to learn a lot about ME politics. All those Arab governments have fought the extremists on their own land. As it turns out, the extremists are one of the main threats to their positions in the government.

Uh huh, ok. The Saudis fund Wahhabi madrassas and mosques from Pakistan to the US and all points in between. The Wahhabi sect or "Osama" school of islam is one of the primary incubators of today's and tomorrow's terrorists. But you want me to believe that these valiant governments are fighting off the "small band of extremists." Let me take another hit from the crack pipe and see if I believe you then.


1-Saudi Arabia may have a vested interest in educating Muslims into an orthodox/extremist version of Islam, most likely because they want Muslims all over to follow their way of Islam. To say that the Saudi government is using that form of education to prepare future terrorists is an exaggeration. While most terrorists are extremists, not all extremists are terrorists. That is faulty reasoning. One can follow a very orthodox view of Islam and never engage in terrorism.

2-That applies to Saudi Arabia only, but we were talking about all the Muslim nations. It is a fact that many of them fight extremists in their own land. Two days ago extremists bombed an oil base in Yemen. Few days ago they bombed the US embassy in Syria. These events happen all the time, and they are only refrained because of the brutal dicatorships that are in place in many of these countries.
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us-government-torture.com

Postby mmasters » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 22:42:54

http://www.us-government-torture.com

A flyer from the site:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1'). ) People everywhere from every demographic of society, in thousands of communities are being attacked inside their own homes and apartments by silent electronic weapons. Once thought to be untrue, has finally been proven to be true using an advanced laboratory grade instrument. You as a citizen are being kept from the news about this Nazi like crime and should be concerned and become active in spreading the word that such things are going on. A private research investigation spanning the last six years costing almost 1/2 million dollars resulted in discovering the proper detection method that shows that people complaining of being attacked by silent electronic weapons are being hit with near lethal levels of energy on purpose; to destabilize their immune systems, mental health and sabotage their jobs as well. Those attacked report that the early signs were insomnia and acid reflux, along with a myriad of other very common ailments.
Read further information on the website http://www.mdspec.com to learn first hand from many thousands of people being attacked overtly in public throughout the country, there are links at the bottom of that first page there. A number of these people have done research to illustrate that there are many millions of people who have actually died of these attacks throughout the nation. Those who have died simply thought that they were sick from natural causes. Doctors are ill equipped with their training to be able to diagnose that an individual is under electronic attack or afraid to say anything. Doctors can be wrong where they do not even know about such a test. On that site there is a “symptoms list” to learn if you might be under attack. Also at the bottom of http://www.mdspec.com first page are links to many websites of personal tragic accounts of being attacked in their own homes.

Without your looking into this, finding out the truth, taking action; there will be little chance that this will come out in the media, because the media is controlled and censored
to remain silent, the genocide will continue indefinitely without massive numbers of the U.S. public knowing about this activity and then taking action to stop it.

2. ) The country has other extreme activities going on and not reported in the mainstream news, such as the plan to allow 100 million immigrants into the country. This is being done without debate as to where all the jobs will come from; Americans should be protected during this major influx; even now 30+ million illegal immigrants have been granted the right to work in the U.S. after they came into the country illegally. If you don't believe it Google “CIRA BILL 100 million”, it’s true. As it is, this country has not got enough jobs, historically there is a constant of 30 million people below the poverty at any given time. There should debate about these behind the scenes virtual invasion plans.

3. ) Also the government is allowing foreigners to buy U.S. Highways and bridges and put toll booths on them, which is going on without your knowledge or input as to why? All you have to do is Google “US leasing roads and bridges to foreigners” Something is wrong! Why have the people of this country not been offered the same deal.

4. ) There is a plot to merge the United States with Mexico and Canada without public debate as to what laws will we live under and what economic changes will occur to the people of the U.S. Again without debate! Also being talked about is the restriction of U.S. Citizens movements in our own country in the future! All you have to do is Google “US plans to force joining with Canada and Mexico” and you will find out something is wrong!

5. ) Today in America there are detainment camps all across the country with a capacity to handle well over 30 million people. Google “Detainment camps in the U.S.”. With attacks against U.S. Citizens using silent electronic attacks as mentioned in the first paragraph going on one has to wonder what has occurred and what is about to happen to us as a nation. Trillions are spent on black projects in this country and even Congress doesn't know what it's spent on, well we now know some of its being used to attack us.

6. ) Worse yet there are purportedly millions of foreign armed military troops in the U.S.. I doubted this myself until I heard remarks from President Bush before the U.N. Security Council, where he mentions that sending troops into Iraq would not jeopardize domestic security because he had “foreign Assets”. Google “Foreign troops inside the US” .It appears these armed foreign troops are here because American boys in our military would not fire on U.S. Citizens. Google “Congressman Ron Paul on foreign troops in the U.S.”

7. ) The U.S. Government has given contracts in sweet heart deals to foreign companies to protect major American shipping harbors. Such actions when taken together with these other points should make you more than nervous, it should make you mad enough to
make an effort to contact all your neighbors, friends and relatives to take the government to task on these violations and lapses in judgment tantamount to an attack against the national security of this nation. Why have the people of this country not been offered the same deal or even told about it.

8. ) What you have learned here should have you ultra concerned as to what is going on; the military sent interceptor planes away from our flagship city of Manhattan instead of protecting it. The facts speak for themselves Google “interceptors during 911”.

9. ) Still more bizarre behavior by Uncle Sam where for the last 6 years, billions of tons of unknown chemicals are being sprayed on the country, it's being verified daily with some respected investigators reporting as well. Google “Chem trails billions of tons of unknown chemicals are being sprayed on the country”. What could be next you wonder?

10. ) All your meat now has 5 live viruses sprayed on it that have not been properly tested, yet has been FDA approved. Why and who decided, was there a sweetheart contract deal? If the FDA were to look would it have been allowed. Google “live virus sprayed on meat risky”.

11. ) What with all the disgusting behavior by government we are mentioning going on without debate or mention in the main stream news, there has been an effort by mentally unbalanced government officials to have all citizens of the United States given a mental health exam. It seems to me that the government officials need a mental health test, not the citizens. Google “Bush plans mental health test for all citizens”.

12. ) Of course in your new Nazi state they plan to implant everyone with a tracking chip, or at least they are going to make the attempt; already several hospitals are implanting infants with the same tracking chips that are used to triangulate and attack people with electronic attack energy mentioned in the first paragraph. Pray that the parents are warned who have had their babies implanted. Google “government plans to implant everyone ”.

13. ) As if it were not enough our country has a secret government overseas usurping its sovereignty and forcing policy and laws on us. The Senate and Congress have no control or even an interest to control such Treason. Google “Committee for Foreign Relations shadow government of the united states”.

14. ) There is a great deal more that would be of interest to you. One last thing to tell you; NYC metropolitan newspapers approximately 1998 reported that Nazi intelligence that survived intact took the equivalent trillions of dollars stolen from Europe, Russia, North Africa, and other places across the globe and invested it in U.S. Pharmaceuticals secretly.
It has been proven that stolen money was used to infiltrate the U.S. To eventually be useful in attaining revenge upon the U.S. for bombing and obliterating Germany and Berlin. George Bush's Grandfather was operating a bank on behalf of the Nazi party after the U.S. entered the war; that bank had to be forced to stop operating on behalf of the Nazi's by loyal American authorities. One has to wonder who is making the decisions for American security today. Google “Underground Nazi Invasion of the United States”. Today the country is insolvent through criminal mismanagement by allowing China and other countries to have unfair trade with us and the result is not a nice picture. Google “The U.S. is bankrupt”.

15. ) There is much more to tell, such as government allowing radioactive metals from nuclear power plants to be used in household and personal hygiene products, Google “radioactive metal household goods”. How far can they go before you say you have had
enough. Its been proven that whether it is Democrat or Republican they don't respond to our letters on important subjects and voting is not the answer.

16. ) What is going on is that nobody is watching those watching the store, and Congress and the Senate no longer respect the American people but as you have read are actually involved in Treason against you today. What is needed is for a rebirth of getting to know and communicate with your neighbors, friends and family and have them gather to discuss the formation of a “Citizens Oversight Committee of the U.S. Government; called (Educate All Emergency) or EAE. It needs to be done because we will all regret not acting right now. First thing to do is print 100 copies of this letter and give it to as many people as possible; also call as many people as you can. Our purpose is to bring back a sane government by contacting everyone you know across the country; without your help in getting this started the country will cease to exist as we have known it. Then call us for further information on what to do. Call John Telephone # 631 360-1557
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Re: us-government-torture.com

Postby Baldwin » Thu 05 Apr 2007, 23:31:36

I remember two other posters going on about this. THey were written off as paranoid.
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Re: us-government-torture.com

Postby cynicalheretic » Fri 06 Apr 2007, 01:03:43

I am sorry, but where in the hell do these people learn how to design websites. They aren't fucking books. These idiots need to learn to seperate their content and place it on more than 1 fucking page and using headers wouldn't hurt as well.

I hate it when people put up websites without taking into consideration usability and accessibility. While we are at it.


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Re: us-government-torture.com

Postby Zardoz » Fri 06 Apr 2007, 01:58:09

Chemtrails, huh?

Millions of foreign troops? Really? Where do you suppose they're garrisoned?
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Re: us-government-torture.com

Postby I_Like_Plants » Fri 06 Apr 2007, 03:14:24

Oh, brother.

OK, the best site on this nuttiness is www.raven1.net, your one-stop shop for nutzo electronic harassment stuph!

Next, read about a fine individual named Francis Dec, he'd have loved the Raven1 site if he'd had the internets.

The Raven1 site is a real hoot, don't miss the pics of damaged underwear!
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Re: us-government-torture.com

Postby jupiters_release » Fri 06 Apr 2007, 14:14:22

Someone must get paid pretty well to make this stuff up, as if the problems of "electromagnetic pollution"(what a euphemism) aren't real just because someone blames it on implants LOL.

People get sick, cancer, and/or die from cell phone radiation, I read an article in The Ecologist years ago that noted the mortality rate in NYC doubled in 1996 after digital cell masts were put up all over the place, you can't walk a couple blocks in Manhattan without seeing them on rooftops and everyone has their cell phones glued to their ears just a couple centimeters away from their brain. 8O
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